if Puthenkurusssu can make Antiochian Patriarch whom they rever as successor of St peter accept an atheistic book called DAS CAPITA, what's is supporting about this. . jacobiote leadership is well-known for their practical wisdom and opportunistic policies to meet their immediate need. They will support CPM or Congress as the situation demands. They can side with Christ and also Satan. They will 'worry' about socail problems while their prists are direcly behind Gundas who slaughter. They will quote the Bible and work against christianity. They will manipute media and then blame others do it.
It really deserve for H.G. Gurgan and C.G Vrghese kathanar. as thalla kurangu and thantha kurangu and need more numbers for the Puthen.........as kuttikuranganmar
If Puthrncruz support CG or Thaddeavoos bishop they can accommodate him there as well!Puthen cruz always likes exaggerators,mockers and liars!Anybody who are against Mosc/or enemies ofMOSC are in Good records /term with them! There is no need to worry about C.G.!
Who is invited justin to post he comments here. Go and post your comments in web publication meant for your church. First try to stop publishing nonsenses about others in your pulication, then we may try to stop. Otherwise get lost and post your comments in JSOC publications
If MOTV is feeling a dearth of topics to be discussed in blog, it is better to stop this blogging than bringing out blatant lies. Manjapathrangal ithilum bedhamanallo..
The fact is that MOTV is irritated because we have pointed towards the unholy understanding between Gurgan and MOTV. And it is not without substance. All news of gurgans church is first published in MOTV even before Gurgan publishes in his own website. Now since our media pointed out this, MOTV is just looking for a response...
If we wanted to support Thadevoos metrachan, we could have done that even before he joined Gurgan. It was only when he became sure that he has no place here, he joined gurgan.
Now, did you see any media or church reports giving even the minimal importance to him ? Then how do you say that we are supporting him ?
Did you see MSV publishing the " excommunication kalpana" ?
Can you substantiate your claims that we have any sort of understanding with him ?
Somebody told here about we supporting CPM / Congress.... Do you think your church is averse to that ?
Metran kakshis, who are considered as the traditional supporters of UDF suddenly endorsed LDF after thay thought Oommen chandy is not supporting them after 2002. Prarthanayilum upavaasathilum kazhiyenda episcopal sunnahadose nadakkunnathinidayil, Mathews II oru dinner party nadathi, LDF leaders inu vendiyittu.... Dinner party organiser.... Pen Vaannibha kutthinu aropanna vidheyanaya Oru pramanni.
Enittu LDF um thirinju nokkunilla ennu kandappol, swantham political party vare roopikarikkanulla shramam nadathi naannamkettu.
Another achayan says that we accomodate anybody who is a MOSC hater, crook or lier ? Can you point out a few ?
On the contrary, Gurgan was ordained and given all moral support and acceptance with the high hopes that he will create split in the SOC in Europe. It was the only emotion which guided ur leadership in gurgan issue.
But when they saw that it is not hapening and on the contrary since he is not finding any support among suryoye he turned his eyes on malankara, he suddenly became bad.
can you just brief us on the procedure of selection of Bishops in the jacobite Church?
Patraich and the synod are just rubber stamps for HB Thomas.
I never belived that bishophood is sale till a clsoe friend of mine, a jacobite, told me how money wa raised for making a family member a bishop.
certainly money can't buy all the votes in Malankara sabha. But there is still scope for improvment and it is slow process.
But so long as there is a ONE-Man-Synod in your chruch there is no pssibility of even a discussion. This is evident from the fact even jacobite members come to know about ordination from Manoarama. It usually goes something like this: Fr Choondakkaran will be ordained as a bishop today in Damascus by Patriarch. he will received in Nedumbassery tomorrow morning. Most of these bishops in the jacobite camp are sitting idle. Their only duty is to stand behind HB Thomas when some meetig is . That is why in photos you see 15-20 bishops in uniform stanidng behind HB Thomas.
Bishophood is for sale to priests. Laity need not worry . They have Chavlliers, Commanders, bar Itho... etc all for those who can afford...This was pointed out in YOUR OWN MATHRUBHHOMI WEEKLY a few months back...ARUDE KANNILAA KOLU , aarude kannila karadu ennu janatthinu araiayam. ORU EAKAATHIPATHI IRIKKUVOLAM KARYANGAL SUBHAMAAYI ENNU THONNAM> ATHU VERUM THONNNAL AANU Justin
LOCAL ELECTIONS ARE COMING. Have you actively started working with CPM? Patrirchese Bava nerttu kalpicchathu ormayille? Addheham pala aavarthi DAS CAPITAL paddicchu kazhinju. Next time varumbol nigalkku PRATHYASHASTHRATHE PATTI CLASS edukkan ready ayittaanu varunnathu. ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE READY. Ok?
Orhtodox Church is not a PRESURE COOKER. So whatever is discussed will be open. On the contrary, autocrats cover up everything and everything seems to function smoothly. But a day will come when everything will gush out like a broken dam.
How many times Thomas bava declared that he is quitting. What happened? Why he can't go in peace? WHO IS HIS SUCCCESSOR? Is it going to be smooth? just like Pharao watched his army drowned in the waters, your leader see followers fighting for power.
@Vilson VISWASASAMRAKSHKAN FORTNIGHLY (published once in a month), the media powerhouse of jacobite church is trusted more than words of Christ if they say EARTH IS FLAT, POOR JACOBITES WILL BELIEVE IT. ONLY Chavelliers, Commaders and BAR.. know the undercurrents
Didimos Bava called a rally in Kottayam. At a short notice lakhs arrived though there were threats from 'some' people. Thomas Bava called for the 'largest ever gathering' months in advance. Meeting kazhinjathode internatyionlly well-known organiser poya vazhiku pullu polum mulacchittilla... Athaanu Daivathil aasrayikkunna paraisuddha Bavayude daivakripa.
Dear Mathew one of your Post/comments regarding L/L H.H. Mathews II and dinnerparty of LDF leaders!Has Mathews Bava told MOSC people to vote or support The LDF because of Church Fued?As leader of MOSC He may have to see or support the ruling party/govt of the Day! It does not mean that he was using them against Jaobites faction.You Jacobites have a common beleif (misunderstanding,as H.B. Thomas always blamed Ommen Chandy in all Jacobites church functions)that because of Ommen Chandy as MoSC faithful,he is siding with MOSC in church feud or not helping Jacobites!In church feud UDF/OmmenChandy always took a neutral step/ neutral stand as they want get support of Both Jacobites/MOSC Voters! They were not Siding with Mosc at all!But It was T.U.Kuruvilla and LDF openly supported Jacobites/H.B. Thomas I and everybody knows the truth! Another thing although L/L Mathews Bava gave them dinner ,H.H. did not eat that meal! When your VS and other intenet media practise/ behave like worsethan Yellow Newspapers why do you blame MOTV? MOTV also publiah your comments or your Opininons where as your Your media never allowed to give such a chance to MOSC people to respond there!
Dear Mathew/Justin Your own publications/medea always mock,belittle,blame,and insult anything going on in MOSC!Then If MOSC people just say somethimg similar to that You People Blame MOSC for entire mistakes!This is Tit for Tat!Accept this,as Nobody Perfect! Everybody should ask themselves"Are We Better than Others!"Read Romans3:10-18 this applicable to all parties concerned including MOSC,JSC(SOC),Antiochean Orthodox and IndependantMalankara orthodox church!Disciplene! Do not talk about disciplene as this was not followed by any groups/factions from the beginning! St.Peter himself never behaved in a manner/way that is against Christ's teachings or Church.He never posed himself supreme leader or Sole Authority/head of Church on earth! Both SOC and MoSC are equally responsible for the current situation of 2 more sects/denominations in Malankara! better not to clap with both hands! P.T.Sam
Oru political party nethaakale aramanayil vilichu varuthi dinner part nadathiyathu enthu udheshichaayirunnu.. ? Appol ningal cheythal athu sheri... njangalenthenkilum cheythaal athu thettu ... alle ?
And FYI, LDF was in opposition at that time.
And regarding Oommen chandy, he has always been and always will be a orthodox supporter. But eyeing the overwhelming number of Jacobite votes in his assembly constituency, he cannot act directly. So he puts up a neutral mask.. But at times that mask comes off ..like what happened in Aluva in 2005.
The metran kakshi complaint is not Oomen chandy is not supporting them.. it is that he is not supporting them enough.
And regarding the diner party, the photo and news was given by major newpapers at that time.. athile photo kannumbol ariyaam mathews II bhakshicho bhakshichile ennu ...
You say that Jacobites and metran kakshis are equally responsible for the creation of two new denominations in Kerala..
You are lying.
It is only metran kakshis who are responsible.
This started when metran kakshis secretly ordained Gurgan as a metran with the hope that he may engineer a split in the SOC in Europe. But it badly misfired.
Gurgan turned against his own creators...
And all drama followed that and today we have two new denominations.
How do you say Jacobites are equally responsible ?
Now let me take you back to the original question...
The news here claims that Jacobites are supporting C G mathews ( achen / metran is left to readers discretion) .
Substantiate this claim. If you cannot substantiate.. shut up !
The best evidence for using political parties to advance Jacobite Agenda was the reception meeting of patriarchese bava in Ernakulam.
During the last week of October 2008 HH patriarch was in India. During the reception BAVA declared amidst crowd (most of them CPM workers) cheering and booing Congress, Orthodox Church, manorama etc.. that jacobits can join and work for communist party.
CPm secreatry Pinarayi Vijayan presented a copy of DAS CAPITAL to Bava. Bava was very grateful to Communist Govt for the state welcome. (More than that he is now loving the anti God book called Das capiotal)
you know who all were on stage?
CPM state committee member P Rajiv, CPM EKM District secretary Gopi Kottamurikkal, C N MOhanan.. and oter leaders were with Pinarayi. jacobites believe the meeting was a huge success becasuse it was a meeting of 'ONLY JACOBITES'. Ha ha ha ha h ah a
"According to some Jacobite sources CPM had asked all party memebrs to stay from the meeting as jacobites believe in God where as Communist party members do NOT believe in God.... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ...
On 28 October 2008 Comrade Vijayan visited Puthen Kurissu Patriarch centre and expressed his gratitude to Jacobiet leadership for teh statment of HH patriarch that Jacobits can work in CPM if they wished.
"According to some Jacobite sources CPM had asked all party memebrs to stay AWAY from the meeting as jacobites believe in God where as Communist party members do NOT believe in God.... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ...
Dear Mathew MTV Does not belong to your media VS or it is not the media belong to PCsociety for you to tell me to shut up!Mathew calm/cool down and think properly!This is not the Place/media for you people to cry loud or talk loud!I still stand By what I said Before!Who are you tell me to shut up?
Dear Mathew Whoever taeches against Christ's Teachings or his apostles'teachings are are generally called liars or self seekers!You make your comments/responses seperately to those who lied to you and not to me!Go and find out the Spirit of Truth and Spirit of Falsehood!
Mathew, Your Jacobite Blood will Boil! That is normal the Case!You are Nobody/nothing in this forum to tell Anybody to Shut up as This Blog did not come from PC society or Antioch!When Your VS write/publish many false stories about MOSC you read it and enjoy!In this forum people are writing many things which will not be of your choice!Do You Think Only Jacobites are saints sacreds?They are the only people going inherit heaven?What I Said that Both factions/ churches MOSCand JSOC are equally responsible for the current mess in Malankara which is 100%truth!After swallowing Iron drinking herbal medicine will not solve the problem!
Dear Sam, Ende sabhaye vendathinam parayumbol.. my blood will boil... Inganathe emotions okke yullathukondalle nammale manushya vargathil peduthiyirikunnathu ?
At the same time, ningade blood freezer il vechu thannupichedukkannam enonnum njaan parayulla.... Ningalde aashyangale allenkil ningade vishwasangale aarenkilum adisthanarahithamaayittu akshepichal, aa blood boil thanne cheyyannam... It is very very normal.
Ningal enthu vennamenkilum ezhuthikko maashe... But njangalkku prathikarikkanum aa ezhuthiyathu chodyam cheyyanulla avakaasham devalokathu vannu medikkedathonnumilla... Njangal enthenkilum adisthanarahithamaayi ezhuthiyittundenkil, ningalum choondi kaanikku... who is stopping you ?
Alla veruthe thammil thammil paranju rasikkan oru subject maatramaannu aavashyamenkil... vere othiri subjects njaan suggest cheyyam.
Pakshe saar paranjathu - both JOC and IOC are equally responsible for the current mess ennalla.... Onnu scroll up cheythu nokku....
Saar Paranjathu - " Both SOC and MoSC are equally responsible for the current situation of 2 more sects/denominations in Malankara "! Ennannu..
Ee paapathil JOC kku yathoru pangum illa... Gurgan e srustichu ee messinu thudakam kurichathu ningalaannu... So only metran kakshis are responsible for the above mentioned mess.
IF WE WANT TO ESTABLISH PEACE IN MALANKARA, THE VERY FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS TO REMOVE THE NAME OF THE ANTIOCHIAN PATRIARCH FROM OUR CONSTITUTION. THE ANTIOCHIA PATRIARCH IS NOW THE CHIEF REASON FOR ALL THE QUARRELS IN MALANKARA. 80 PER CENT PROBLEMS CAN BE RESOLVED IF WE DELETE THE PATRIARCH'S NAME FROM OUR CHURCH.
WHEN WE DO NOT WANT THE NAMES OF OTHER ORTHODOX CHURCH HEADS IN OUR CONSTITUTION, WHY SHOULD WE HAVE THE NAME OF ANTOCHIAN PATRIARCH? WE SHOULD ADD THAT WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL ORTHODOX CHURCHES IN THE WORLD.
IF WE CANNOT DO IT IMEMDIATELY, CAN WE DO IT BEOFE 2025?
If you go to the core of any issue in Malankara, you will realise that all the quarrels in Malnkara ae centred around one thing: PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH...
ERASE IT FROM OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR PRAYERS, OUR HISTORY BOOKS, OUR FUTURE PLANS... OUR MIND FOR EVER AND EVER.
If this can be done, I can assure you that - ORTHODOX CHURCH IN INDIA WILL grow and become fruitfull. Antiochian Church will also become responsible and grow. It will be good for the Orthodox Faith and Universal Syrian traditions.
I have only one prayer that our children and their generations should reside in PEACE.
SHALL I HUMBLY MAKE A REQUEST TO HIS HOLINESS PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH TO WITHDRAW HIMSLEF FROM THE ORHTHODOX CHURCH IN INDIA FOR THE GOOD OF ANTIOCHIAN CHUCH AND INDIAN CHURCH.
We and our Chruch leaders have to think about it. It is too late. It is enough and more. We suffered a lot. Other Orthodox Oriental Chruches have their own freedom. "Pukanja Kolli Purathu"
Now Whom you going to Blame? Puthenkruz or Are you going to clean your house? Now you know HH The Patriarch threw out the trash, which you all think your treasure.
Dear All Why Blame MoSC alone!First Antocheans start Split/Division in Malankara church for self Interests and ego! They sowed the seed of hatred/contempt in Malankara which was then inherited by the Malankara Church heirarchy! The Moosa Goorgan issue was originally created by Antiocheans,then their Disciples who joined MOSC showed the original pratice/trick of Antiocheans here in Malankara! MOSC being used as their stage for such pratice!the New Red Robs wearers' interst is to show their glamour to ordinary people of Malankara church rather than serving God!In Antiochean History of Church heirarchy there were lot of rivalry and hatred and contempt! Even now they have lot of ribels in Europe(germany,UK,holland),North U.S.A and South.U.S.A! The SOC in Antioch/Damascus,Jacobites in Malankara,and MOSC are responsible equally for the current problems of creating Lot of Unwanted Bishops!
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if Puthenkurusssu can make Antiochian Patriarch whom they rever as successor of St peter accept an atheistic book called DAS CAPITA, what's is supporting about this. . jacobiote leadership is well-known for their practical wisdom and opportunistic policies to meet their immediate need. They will support CPM or Congress as the situation demands. They can side with Christ and also Satan. They will 'worry' about socail problems while their prists are direcly behind Gundas who slaughter. They will quote the Bible and work against christianity. They will manipute media and then blame others do it.
Randu PUTHEN kodutthal avide CG-kku kayaraamallo. pakaram palli kodutthum nokkam. Pinne kuppayam neratthe ittathinal queue-vil nilkkanda. pakseh kuppaayam kittiyavar thanne avide panikkaayi queue nikkunnu enna oru prasnam undu. Ingane thatti kooti kuppayam ittavar avide undallo. Appoo ellam subham.
Dear Kuncherukkan,
It really deserve for H.G. Gurgan and C.G Vrghese kathanar. as thalla kurangu and thantha kurangu and need more numbers for the Puthen.........as kuttikuranganmar
Nice work
Varghese Mathai
Member SGOC Sharjah
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Dear IOC Extremists,
I feel pity of you for diverting your internal problems to JSOC,,,,
Please start something constructive topics and discussions to solve your internal problems occurred due to ur politics...
AAAAdyam swantham kannile karadu maataan ullla vazhi nokkk..ennitu mattullavarey upadesikkku...
Pinnne regarding Bishop selection...JSOC oru Bishopine thiranjedukkunnnundenkil athu Holy synodinte arivodeyum HH patriarchinte Sammadathodeyum aarikkum alllathe SMS votingiteyum KAlla votinteyum Pinbalathodey alla ennnu dayavaayi manassilakkanam...Alllathe guhayilum,hotel murikalilum olichum paathum kuppayam ideekenda gathikedu innnuvare JSOC ku Vanniittilla.... Oduvil SOC ku oru pani kodukkkan vendi aaaa avihitha vaazhchaku approvalum koduthu...Ipppo Nalllla Pani thirichu kittiyappol athu nere JSOC ku mele thirichu vidan NokkkatheY..ningalude problem solve cheyyan Daivathodu prarthikkk....
Njangal Parumalayil Palli paninjal Prasnam...Bishopine Vaazhichal kuttam,
Ithum nokkki irikkathey Swantham kaaaline adiyile mannu olichu pokunnathu manassilakku..enniittu athu urappichu nirthan ulllla maargam nokkke...
May the lord almighty gives you good sense to survive as a Christian Community...
If Puthrncruz support CG or Thaddeavoos bishop they can accommodate him there as well!Puthen cruz always likes exaggerators,mockers and liars!Anybody who are against Mosc/or enemies ofMOSC are in Good records /term with them!
There is no need to worry about C.G.!
Who is invited justin to post he comments here. Go and post your comments in web publication meant for your church. First try to stop publishing nonsenses about others in your pulication, then we may try to stop. Otherwise get lost and post your comments in JSOC publications
Now this is what is called he height of madness.
If MOTV is feeling a dearth of topics to be discussed in blog, it is better to stop this blogging than bringing out blatant lies. Manjapathrangal ithilum bedhamanallo..
The fact is that MOTV is irritated because we have pointed towards the unholy understanding between Gurgan and MOTV. And it is not without substance. All news of gurgans church is first published in MOTV even before Gurgan publishes in his own website. Now since our media pointed out this, MOTV is just looking for a response...
Ethics enna vaakinde artham ariyathavarkku enthum ezhuthamallo.
If we wanted to support Thadevoos metrachan, we could have done that even before he joined Gurgan. It was only when he became sure that he has no place here, he joined gurgan.
Now, did you see any media or church reports giving even the minimal importance to him ? Then how do you say that we are supporting him ?
Did you see MSV publishing the " excommunication kalpana" ?
Can you substantiate your claims that we have any sort of understanding with him ?
Somebody told here about we supporting CPM / Congress.... Do you think your church is averse to that ?
Metran kakshis, who are considered as the traditional supporters of UDF suddenly endorsed LDF after thay thought Oommen chandy is not supporting them after 2002. Prarthanayilum upavaasathilum kazhiyenda episcopal sunnahadose nadakkunnathinidayil, Mathews II oru dinner party nadathi, LDF leaders inu vendiyittu.... Dinner party organiser.... Pen Vaannibha kutthinu aropanna vidheyanaya Oru pramanni.
Enittu LDF um thirinju nokkunilla ennu kandappol, swantham political party vare roopikarikkanulla shramam nadathi naannamkettu.
Ithokke achayanmaarkku ariyavunna kaaryangalalle ?
Another achayan says that we accomodate anybody who is a MOSC hater, crook or lier ? Can you point out a few ?
On the contrary, Gurgan was ordained and given all moral support and acceptance with the high hopes that he will create split in the SOC in Europe. It was the only emotion which guided ur leadership in gurgan issue.
But when they saw that it is not hapening and on the contrary since he is not finding any support among suryoye he turned his eyes on malankara, he suddenly became bad.
Njangal thallikalanjathungale ningal angeegarikkum... athaannu ithuvare nadanittullathu..
So, put your house in order...
Dear Justin
can you just brief us on the procedure of selection of Bishops in the jacobite Church?
Patraich and the synod are just rubber stamps for HB Thomas.
I never belived that bishophood is sale till a clsoe friend of mine, a jacobite, told me how money wa raised for making a family member a bishop.
certainly money can't buy all the votes in Malankara sabha. But there is still scope for improvment and it is slow process.
But so long as there is a ONE-Man-Synod in your chruch there is no pssibility of even a discussion. This is evident from the fact even jacobite members come to know about ordination from Manoarama. It usually goes something like this: Fr Choondakkaran will be ordained as a bishop today in Damascus by Patriarch. he will received in Nedumbassery tomorrow morning. Most of these bishops in the jacobite camp are sitting idle. Their only duty is to stand behind HB Thomas when some meetig is . That is why in photos you see 15-20 bishops in uniform stanidng behind HB Thomas.
Bishophood is for sale to priests. Laity need not worry . They have Chavlliers, Commanders, bar Itho... etc all for those who can afford...This was pointed out in YOUR OWN MATHRUBHHOMI WEEKLY a few months back...ARUDE KANNILAA KOLU , aarude kannila karadu ennu janatthinu araiayam. ORU EAKAATHIPATHI IRIKKUVOLAM KARYANGAL SUBHAMAAYI ENNU THONNAM> ATHU VERUM THONNNAL AANU Justin
Mathew
LOCAL ELECTIONS ARE COMING. Have you actively started working with CPM? Patrirchese Bava nerttu kalpicchathu ormayille? Addheham pala aavarthi DAS CAPITAL paddicchu kazhinju. Next time varumbol nigalkku PRATHYASHASTHRATHE PATTI CLASS edukkan ready ayittaanu varunnathu. ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE READY. Ok?
Orhtodox Church is not a PRESURE COOKER. So whatever is discussed will be open. On the contrary, autocrats cover up everything and everything seems to function smoothly. But a day will come when everything will gush out like a broken dam.
How many times Thomas bava declared that he is quitting. What happened? Why he can't go in peace? WHO IS HIS SUCCCESSOR? Is it going to be smooth? just like Pharao watched his army drowned in the waters, your leader see followers fighting for power.
@Vilson
VISWASASAMRAKSHKAN FORTNIGHLY (published once in a month), the media powerhouse of jacobite church is trusted more than words of Christ if they say EARTH IS FLAT, POOR JACOBITES WILL BELIEVE IT. ONLY Chavelliers, Commaders and BAR.. know the undercurrents
Didimos Bava called a rally in Kottayam. At a short notice lakhs arrived though there were threats from 'some' people. Thomas Bava called for the 'largest ever gathering' months in advance. Meeting kazhinjathode internatyionlly well-known organiser poya vazhiku pullu polum mulacchittilla... Athaanu Daivathil aasrayikkunna paraisuddha Bavayude daivakripa.
veruthe kusumbu kutthiyittu karyamilla
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Dear Mathew one of your Post/comments regarding L/L H.H. Mathews II and dinnerparty of LDF leaders!Has Mathews Bava told MOSC people to vote or support The LDF because of Church Fued?As leader of MOSC He may have to see or support the ruling party/govt of the Day! It does not mean that he was using them against Jaobites faction.You Jacobites have a common beleif (misunderstanding,as H.B. Thomas always blamed Ommen Chandy in all Jacobites church functions)that because of Ommen Chandy as MoSC faithful,he is siding with MOSC in church feud or not helping Jacobites!In church feud UDF/OmmenChandy always took a neutral step/ neutral stand as they want get support of Both Jacobites/MOSC Voters! They were not Siding with Mosc at all!But It was T.U.Kuruvilla and LDF openly supported Jacobites/H.B. Thomas I
and everybody knows the truth!
Another thing although L/L Mathews Bava gave them dinner ,H.H. did not eat that meal! When your VS and other intenet media practise/ behave like worsethan Yellow Newspapers why do you blame MOTV?
MOTV also publiah your comments or your Opininons where as your Your media never allowed to give such a chance to MOSC people to respond there!
Dear Mathew/Justin
Your own publications/medea always mock,belittle,blame,and insult anything going on in MOSC!Then If MOSC people just say somethimg similar to that You People Blame MOSC for entire mistakes!This is Tit for Tat!Accept this,as Nobody Perfect! Everybody should ask themselves"Are We Better than Others!"Read Romans3:10-18 this applicable to all parties concerned including MOSC,JSC(SOC),Antiochean Orthodox and IndependantMalankara orthodox church!Disciplene! Do not talk about disciplene as this was not followed by any groups/factions from the beginning!
St.Peter himself never behaved in a manner/way that is against Christ's teachings or Church.He never posed himself supreme leader or Sole Authority/head of Church on earth!
Both SOC and MoSC are equally responsible for the current situation of 2 more sects/denominations in Malankara!
better not to clap with both hands!
P.T.Sam
Dear Sam,
Oru political party nethaakale aramanayil vilichu varuthi dinner part nadathiyathu enthu udheshichaayirunnu.. ? Appol ningal cheythal athu sheri... njangalenthenkilum cheythaal athu thettu ... alle ?
And FYI, LDF was in opposition at that time.
And regarding Oommen chandy, he has always been and always will be a orthodox supporter. But eyeing the overwhelming number of Jacobite votes in his assembly constituency, he cannot act directly. So he puts up a neutral mask.. But at times that mask comes off ..like what happened in Aluva in 2005.
The metran kakshi complaint is not Oomen chandy is not supporting them.. it is that he is not supporting them enough.
And regarding the diner party, the photo and news was given by major newpapers at that time.. athile photo kannumbol ariyaam mathews II bhakshicho bhakshichile ennu ...
( sam contd..,. )
You say that Jacobites and metran kakshis are equally responsible for the creation of two new denominations in Kerala..
You are lying.
It is only metran kakshis who are responsible.
This started when metran kakshis secretly ordained Gurgan as a metran with the hope that he may engineer a split in the SOC in Europe. But it badly misfired.
Gurgan turned against his own creators...
And all drama followed that and today we have two new denominations.
How do you say Jacobites are equally responsible ?
Now let me take you back to the original question...
The news here claims that Jacobites are supporting C G mathews ( achen / metran is left to readers discretion) .
Substantiate this claim. If you cannot substantiate.. shut up !
The best evidence for using political parties to advance Jacobite Agenda was the reception meeting of patriarchese bava in Ernakulam.
During the last week of October 2008 HH patriarch was in India. During the reception BAVA declared amidst crowd (most of them CPM workers) cheering and booing Congress, Orthodox Church, manorama etc.. that jacobits can join and work for communist party.
CPm secreatry Pinarayi Vijayan presented a copy of DAS CAPITAL to Bava. Bava was very grateful to Communist Govt for the state welcome. (More than that he is now loving the anti God book called Das capiotal)
you know who all were on stage?
CPM state committee member P Rajiv, CPM EKM District secretary Gopi Kottamurikkal, C N MOhanan.. and oter leaders were with Pinarayi. jacobites believe the meeting was a huge success becasuse it was a meeting of 'ONLY JACOBITES'. Ha ha ha ha h ah a
"According to some Jacobite sources CPM had asked all party memebrs to stay from the meeting as jacobites believe in God where as Communist party members do NOT believe in God....
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ...
On 28 October 2008 Comrade Vijayan visited Puthen Kurissu Patriarch centre and expressed his gratitude to Jacobiet leadership for teh statment of HH patriarch that Jacobits can work in CPM if they wished.
Thante pavithramaya sthanatthe ingane durupagogam cheytha veroru patriarchese bava undo? Inganeyullavare Orthodox sabhakku ethinaanu? Athukondu Patriarchese Bavaye patti enthinkilum nammude Bahranaghatana-yil undenkil athu neekuunnathinu natapati thudnaganam.
"According to some Jacobite sources CPM had asked all party memebrs to stay AWAY from the meeting as jacobites believe in God where as Communist party members do NOT believe in God....
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ...
Daivathalallathathellam swayam nasikkum.Pakshe vandaya pithavine akshepichathinte kooly valia thamasam koodathe kittithudangi ennu manasilakkuka.Pandoral vdudhan punnoose ennu paranjathinu kittiya kooli orkkuka. Jacob Mathew Karuvatta
CBI oru diary kurippu othukkan Delhi=yil karnagi natanna chila nethakkale patti vaayicchu. Criminal case othukkan chillara padaanu. enkilum 'daivakripayaal' saadhhicchu... Achente Arest undayilla. Pinne sabhayude paramugha kendrangalil Gundakal chumma angu thamasicchu,.. avar aarum ariyaaathe... Athokke enthinnanadu anweshikkunnthu? Cathavan poyille? malnkara Varghese-ne karthavinte atukkal vegatthil ethicchathinu nanni parayuka...
Dear Mathew
MTV Does not belong to your media VS or it is not the media belong to PCsociety for you to tell me to shut up!Mathew calm/cool down and think properly!This is not the Place/media for you people to cry loud or talk loud!I still stand By what I said Before!Who are you tell me to shut up?
Aana kaaryam parayumbol chena kaaryam parayunnu..
You all alleged that we are supporting CG Metrachan ( ? ) ...
Prove it !!!
If you cannot prove... shut up !!!
Dear Mathew
Whoever taeches against Christ's Teachings or his apostles'teachings are are generally called liars or self seekers!You make your comments/responses seperately to those who lied to you and not to me!Go and find out the Spirit of Truth and Spirit of Falsehood!
If someone writes blatant lies about my church... I have every right to tell them to shut up !!!
Coming back to the subject..
There is a blog created here saying we are supporting CG..
Prove it ....
And if you cannot prove, shut up !
My Dear Mathew, Thankal Poyi Thankalude society yile theevravadhikalodu Karyam Thirakkuka. CG Pattam Kodutha Kochante Kuppayam Ooricha Katha Manarkattu Thirakkuka. CG ye Virattan Poya Manarkattu Palliyile Achanaranennu Thirakkuka. Oduvil Ikkaryathil Nammude Nilapedenthanennu Nammude Vazhoor Biby Abrahaminodum Moolayil Achanodum koody Chodhikkuka. Ennittu Shut Up Paranjathil Paschathapam Undenkil Ezhuthuka.
Mathew,
Your Jacobite Blood will Boil! That is normal the Case!You are Nobody/nothing in this forum to tell Anybody to Shut up as This Blog did not come from PC society or Antioch!When Your VS write/publish many false stories about MOSC you read it and enjoy!In this forum people are writing many things which will not be of your choice!Do You Think Only Jacobites are saints sacreds?They are the only people going inherit heaven?What I Said that Both factions/ churches MOSCand JSOC are equally responsible for the current mess in Malankara which is 100%truth!After swallowing Iron drinking herbal medicine will not solve the problem!
My Dear Mathew, PTA, manarcad CG ye verattiyittundenkil, athu support aakunnathengane ? Biby chayande nilapaadenikku valare vyakthamaayi ariyaam..
Athukondu Pashchathaapam thonnenda kaaryamonnumilla...
I am still standing by my comments.
Prove that we are supporting CG or if not, Shut Up !!
Dear Sam, Ende sabhaye vendathinam parayumbol.. my blood will boil... Inganathe emotions okke yullathukondalle nammale manushya vargathil peduthiyirikunnathu ?
At the same time, ningade blood freezer il vechu thannupichedukkannam enonnum njaan parayulla.... Ningalde aashyangale allenkil ningade vishwasangale aarenkilum adisthanarahithamaayittu akshepichal, aa blood boil thanne cheyyannam... It is very very normal.
Ningal enthu vennamenkilum ezhuthikko maashe... But njangalkku prathikarikkanum aa ezhuthiyathu chodyam cheyyanulla avakaasham devalokathu vannu medikkedathonnumilla... Njangal enthenkilum adisthanarahithamaayi ezhuthiyittundenkil, ningalum choondi kaanikku... who is stopping you ?
Alla veruthe thammil thammil paranju rasikkan oru subject maatramaannu aavashyamenkil... vere othiri subjects njaan suggest cheyyam.
Njaan eviedyenkilum jacobites ellam parishuddanmaaru, metran kakshikal mothathil cheguthaanmaar enu paranjo ? Metran kakshiyilum, Pambady thirumeni, Mookancheri thirumeni angane valare churcukkam chila shudhalmaakalund..
Pakshe saar paranjathu - both JOC and IOC are equally responsible for the current mess ennalla.... Onnu scroll up cheythu nokku....
Saar Paranjathu - " Both SOC and MoSC are equally responsible for the current situation of 2 more sects/denominations in Malankara "!
Ennannu..
Ee paapathil JOC kku yathoru pangum illa... Gurgan e srustichu ee messinu thudakam kurichathu ningalaannu... So only metran kakshis are responsible for the above mentioned mess.
So..
Veendum veendum chodikunnu...
Prove that we are supporting CG...
If not Shut up !!!
IF WE WANT TO ESTABLISH PEACE IN MALANKARA, THE VERY FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS TO REMOVE THE NAME OF THE ANTIOCHIAN PATRIARCH FROM OUR CONSTITUTION. THE ANTIOCHIA PATRIARCH IS NOW THE CHIEF REASON FOR ALL THE QUARRELS IN MALANKARA. 80 PER CENT PROBLEMS CAN BE RESOLVED IF WE DELETE THE PATRIARCH'S NAME FROM OUR CHURCH.
WHEN WE DO NOT WANT THE NAMES OF OTHER ORTHODOX CHURCH HEADS IN OUR CONSTITUTION, WHY SHOULD WE HAVE THE NAME OF ANTOCHIAN PATRIARCH? WE SHOULD ADD THAT WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL ORTHODOX CHURCHES IN THE WORLD.
IF WE CANNOT DO IT IMEMDIATELY, CAN WE DO IT BEOFE 2025?
If you go to the core of any issue in Malankara, you will realise that all the quarrels in Malnkara ae centred around one thing: PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH...
ERASE IT FROM OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR PRAYERS, OUR HISTORY BOOKS, OUR FUTURE PLANS... OUR MIND FOR EVER AND EVER.
If this can be done, I can assure you that - ORTHODOX CHURCH IN INDIA WILL grow and become fruitfull. Antiochian Church will also become responsible and grow. It will be good for the Orthodox Faith and Universal Syrian traditions.
I have only one prayer that our children and their generations should reside in PEACE.
SHALL I HUMBLY MAKE A REQUEST TO HIS HOLINESS PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH TO WITHDRAW HIMSLEF FROM THE ORHTHODOX CHURCH IN INDIA FOR THE GOOD OF ANTIOCHIAN CHUCH AND INDIAN CHURCH.
Dear Mr. Ravi George,
We and our Chruch leaders have to think about it. It is too late.
It is enough and more. We suffered a lot.
Other Orthodox Oriental Chruches have their own freedom.
"Pukanja Kolli Purathu"
Varghese Mathai
Member SGOC Sharjah
Dear Mathew
As Pilate Washed his hands,our friends Jacobites also do the same! That is All!
aranu ee mor behanan study circle?
puthiya vatharam anallo? dear joice sir , enthekilum arivundo evare pattie? enthanu evarude pravarthan mekhala? oru reply edamo?
entai sahotharangal aya orthadoxkar
thingal katholiccosina engana vazichu athupolae annu gurgana nigal vazichathu.ningal pathriceesinu ethirai vazichu.athu thirichu kondu.ethrayum virthikadu kanicha methranmarkku ethirai acction edukkan dairam 1934 bharanagadana ulla sbhakku undooo
Sam Ninan
ninan acha,
athonnum nadkkunna kariyam alla,
Now Whom you going to Blame? Puthenkruz or Are you going to clean your house? Now you know HH The Patriarch threw out the trash, which you all think your treasure.
babu usa
Meesha polum killikatha alkare anno yee sabhayil achanmar akkunatha. Ennal Ennikum chance undallo.
Dear All
Why Blame MoSC alone!First Antocheans start Split/Division in Malankara church for self Interests and ego! They sowed the seed of hatred/contempt in Malankara which was then inherited by the Malankara Church heirarchy! The Moosa Goorgan issue was originally created by Antiocheans,then their Disciples who joined MOSC showed the original pratice/trick of Antiocheans here in Malankara! MOSC being used as their stage for such pratice!the New Red Robs wearers' interst is to show their glamour to ordinary people of Malankara church rather than serving God!In Antiochean History of Church heirarchy there were lot of rivalry and hatred and contempt! Even now they have lot of ribels in Europe(germany,UK,holland),North U.S.A and South.U.S.A! The SOC in Antioch/Damascus,Jacobites in Malankara,and MOSC are responsible equally for the current problems of creating Lot of Unwanted Bishops!
eni aaru vicharichalum methran akam
vekam chellu cg mathews nte aduthekku
shibin kannanakuzhy
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