This is not the right way to protest,it should be totally discouraged.If this is the process initiated now,what will be the situation if vanithas are permitted further for Diocesan assembly or Malankara association.This seems to be too much.Shortly we can expect a demand for bible readings in services followed by entrance in the madhbhaha.St.Paul expecting all these troubles has written in his epistle,stating that women should be silent in church activities (administration).First the ladies were given an opportunity to attend the GB in parishes as observers,since they were not satisfied with it, they were given the chance to speak in parish Gb.Now as a first step they are given a chance of voting and an entrance to MC of the parish,if I am not mistaken, accordingly they will be given a chance for Diocesan assembly and Malankara Association.Don't be in a haist.Slow and steady wins the race.I am totally against it but since there is an order (kalpana),I am bound to follow it. Presence of Ladies in MC,Diocesan assembly,Malankara Association is going to create a greater trouble in our MOSC.
Anyhow the MOMS global meet at Parumala is laudable and appreciated.Also the choice of new secretary seems to be good as person seems to be humble,capable to carry on.Kudos to the President Thirumeni and others for the wonderful performance.
The Holy Church is not like a political forum. If you have any problem then contact Diocesan Metropolitan for your grievances. From there you didn't get any justice you can approach highest authority of our church. This is not the way of protest by wearing black & white cloths.
I think women need not show this much haste in bringing radical changes to a sabha which is highly enthusiastic in clinging to tradition. Now to a limited extent, female participation is brought about; the rest will follow in due course. Our women never got such chances before while their other Christian counterparts received such opportunities in church. There are lot of women in our church who themselves believe that they are second class citizens; they think they are less capable or less suitable to hold such positions in church. There might be a lot of confident and capable women in our church who were suppressed so far to suffer silently just because of their gender. Even if they come forward at this juncture, our clergy and male population have to come a long way forward to accept them as equals. Instead of just exhibiting protest by wearing a different colour of everyday dress code, thereby still conforming to social stereotype, Samajam should empower our ladies to hold positions in church. Hold discussions and open symposiums to boost the morale of our women and free our men from the myth of male super powers. Then it will be the right time to stand for equal participation at higher levels.
You remember Fr. Darley also expressed similar concern in an article months back? Then I advocated for long black cassocks for women in our church, in this blog. Not only the kochamma you mentioned, if you look carefully, you can see that all the females in our church need a dress code set by men. Also only men should have the authority to make decisions on implementing or relaxing the dress code. On hearing women got equal participation at parish level, some men already started thinking about the possible dress that females might be wearing!!!!! And a kochamma they so once!!!!!!!!!!!And Samajam thinks they can change the mind set of these kinds of people by wearing black clothes!!!!
its very unfortunate to see this type of comment from a lady holding a responsible position.i urge theophilos thirumeni to give some good advice to this female warriors just to keep silence when our church is passing through a crisis.
Dear Accamma Aunty/Chechy/Madam/Ammachi.(sorry I don't know much about you) Thalley athu kalaki. It should have been Black Saree and White Blouse. Also what material (Cotton, Silk, Polyster)should have been mentioned. Orthodox Church is accomodating women but in our church we don't give any such prominence. We follow the Pauline epistle so we don't have issue. Our women sit at home and listen to the men folk. Now your poor ladies if they wear black blouse and white saree, people will start asking, "innu Kari dinamano enne". Sthri Sthrikku thanney para. Anubhavikku Orthodox Sahodarikalley? 100 years of Catholicate!
അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ പത്ര പ്രസ്താവന തരാം താണതും നിലവാരം ഇല്ലാത്തതും : ഫാ. എബി ഫിലിപ്പ് സ്ത്രീകള്‍ക്ക് ഇടവക തലത്തില്‍ മാത്രം പ്രാതിനിധ്യം നല്‍കിയാല്‍ മതിയെന്ന സഭാ മാനേജിംഗ് കമ്മറ്റി തീരുമാനത്തിന് പ്രതിഷേധമായി സെപ്റ്റംബര്‍ 25 ഞായര്‍ കറുത്ത ഞായര്‍ ആയി ആചരിക്കണമെന്നുള്ള അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ ഒറ്റയാന്‍ പ്രഖ്യാപനം തരംതാണതും നിലവാരം കെട്ടതുമായിപോയി. മര്‍ത്തമറിയം സമാജത്തിന്റെ മുന്‍ ചുമതലക്കാരി വീണ്ടും ആ പ്രസ്ഥാനത്തില്‍ ഇത്തിള്‍കണ്ണിപോലെ കടിച്ചുതൂങ്ങി കിടക്കുവാന്‍ വേണ്ടിയുള്ള വേലയാണോ? അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ പ്രസ്താവന കേട്ട് സഭയില്‍ 50 പേരെങ്കിലും ഇങ്ങനെ ചെയ്യുമോ? സ്ത്രീകള്‍ക്ക് ഈ തീരുമാനത്തില്‍ എന്തെങ്കിലും പ്രതിഷേധമുണ്ടെങ്കില്‍ ദേവാലയത്തില്‍ ഞായറാഴ്ച വി.കുര്‍ബ്ബാന ദിവസം കറുത്ത ബ്ളൌസും വെളുത്ത സാരിയുമുടുത്തല്ല പ്രതിഷേധമറിയിക്കേണ്ടത്. അറിയിക്കേണ്ടവര്‍ (ഇപ്പോഴത്തെ സമാജം ചുമതലക്കാര്‍) അറിയിക്കേണ്ട സ്ഥാനത്ത് അറിയിക്കേണ്ട രീതിയിലാണ്. ഈ തീരുമാനത്തില്‍ പ്രതിഷേധിച്ച് പ്രഖ്യാപനം നടത്തിയ അക്കാമ്മ പോളിനോട് ഒരു ചോദ്യം. പരി.സഭ കോലഞ്ചേരി പള്ളി പ്രശ്നത്തില്‍ ഏറെ പ്രയാസപ്പെട്ടപ്പോള്‍ അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ കറുത്ത ബ്ളൌസും വെളുത്ത സാരിയും എവിടെ പോയി? പരി.ബാവ തിരുമേനി അടിയന്തിരമായി ഇടപെട്ട് ഇങ്ങനെയുള്ളവരെ ശാസിക്കുകയെങ്കിലും ചെയ്തില്ലെങ്കില്‍ ഞങ്ങളെ പോലെയുള്ളവര്‍ക്ക് അത് ഏറെ വേദനയുണ്ടാക്കും. (ഫാ. എബി ഫിലിപ്പ് , സഭാ മാനേജിംഗ് കമ്മറ്റി അംഗം )
People like Accamma Paul takes the advantage of positions and influences, because of which others with reputation in the family,society,community are sidelined.Already there are office bearers for MOMS who has to recommend such,if any.Because of the over smartness of these type of people I always prefer that for any Post/Designation it should be a ONE MAN-ONE POST-ONETIME (limited period)which should be applicable for all activities, from top to bottom.Now the Malankara Association date is announced and it is heard that some of the present incumbents are for the race again because of the money power,muscle power, influences.It is my humble request to such members to pave the way for others too.For eg.Dr.George Joseph is very active as the Sabha Secretary and many good things were initiated during his tenure,which is highly appreciated,but it doesn't mean that he should be re-elected,instead even if there is any force/backings he should pave way for some other George Josephs and experience their performance.
Feeling very sad that a lady who does not know the value and meaning of Sunday was at the top of the malankara sabha MOMS all these days, if I am right for 18 years. How can she make such a statement against the Lord’s day? Is that day, a day for her to show her protest? After hearing and seeing all these Where was Accamma Ammachy and her comments when our Holy Fathers were fasting at Kolencherry? Why she has not proved her capability there? I wonder why no church officials are taking any action against her comment? Praying that may the coming MOSC meeting does not pass the decision.
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This is not the right way to protest,it should be totally discouraged.If this is the process initiated now,what will be the situation if vanithas are permitted further for Diocesan assembly or Malankara association.This seems to be too much.Shortly we can expect a demand for bible readings in services followed by entrance in the madhbhaha.St.Paul expecting all these troubles has written in his epistle,stating that women should be silent in church activities (administration).First the ladies were given an opportunity to attend the GB in parishes as observers,since they were not satisfied with it, they were given the chance to speak in parish Gb.Now as a first step they are given a chance of voting and an entrance to MC of the parish,if I am not mistaken, accordingly they will be given a chance for Diocesan assembly and Malankara Association.Don't be in a haist.Slow and steady wins the race.I am totally against it but since there is an order (kalpana),I am bound to follow it. Presence of Ladies in MC,Diocesan assembly,Malankara Association is going to create a greater trouble in our MOSC.
Anyhow the MOMS global meet at Parumala is laudable and appreciated.Also the choice of new secretary seems to be good as person seems to be humble,capable to carry on.Kudos to the President Thirumeni and others for the wonderful performance.
Fr.Varghese Yohannan Vattaparampil
Bombay Diocese.
ഇത് ഒരു തുടക്കമല്ലേ എന്തിനാണ് അക്കാമ ചേച്ചി ഇത്ര വെപ്രാളം കറുത്ത സാരി ഇല്ലാത്തവര്‍ നീല ഇട്ടാല്‍ മതിയോ
kazhivulla sreekal sabhayil munnottu varunnathu abhikamyam thanne.athinu mumpu sareeram marakkunna vastram dharikkan sreekale upadesikkatte. eyide oru kochammayude vesham kandappol tholiyurinju poi.(oru achante bariya)
The Holy Church is not like a political forum. If you have any problem then contact Diocesan Metropolitan for your grievances. From there you didn't get any justice you can approach highest authority of our church. This is not the way of protest by wearing black & white cloths.
I think women need not show this much haste in bringing radical changes to a sabha which is highly enthusiastic in clinging to tradition. Now to a limited extent, female participation is brought about; the rest will follow in due course. Our women never got such chances before while their other Christian counterparts received such opportunities in church. There are lot of women in our church who themselves believe that they are second class citizens; they think they are less capable or less suitable to hold such positions in church.
There might be a lot of confident and capable women in our church who were suppressed so far to suffer silently just because of their gender. Even if they come forward at this juncture, our clergy and male population have to come a long way forward to accept them as equals.
Instead of just exhibiting protest by wearing a different colour of everyday dress code, thereby still conforming to social stereotype, Samajam should empower our ladies to hold positions in church. Hold discussions and open symposiums to boost the morale of our women and free our men from the myth of male super powers. Then it will be the right time to stand for equal participation at higher levels.
Hello jacob mathew
You remember Fr. Darley also expressed similar concern in an article months back? Then I advocated for long black cassocks for women in our church, in this blog. Not only the kochamma you mentioned, if you look carefully, you can see that all the females in our church need a dress code set by men. Also only men should have the authority to make decisions on implementing or relaxing the dress code.
On hearing women got equal participation at parish level, some men already started thinking about the possible dress that females might be wearing!!!!! And a kochamma they so once!!!!!!!!!!!And Samajam thinks they can change the mind set of these kinds of people by wearing black clothes!!!!
Holy Qurbana is the queen of all sacraments. It it shall never be construed as a means of expressing protest.
### George Joseph###
It is unfortunate and disheartening to see the news,especially when our church is passing through tough times.
P.G.Mathew from Palarivattom
akkamma paulinu Holy Qurbana ennathu verum pratheishedhikanulla avasaram mathramano?
Malankara Orthodox Sabhayil Sthreekalkku kodukkunna pradhanyam ee sabhaye nashippikkum.
Sthreeyiloode papapankilamaya Lokathe Sthreeyil ninnum janicha Puthran Papamochanam nadathi, Itha evide Sabhaye Kalankapeduthan veendumoru sramam.
Holy Bible anusarichu mathram Munnottu Pokunna Malankara Orthodox Sabha engane oru theerumanam eduthathu enthinu vendiyanu?
Paulose sleeha enthanu sthreekalude sabhayile pradhinithyathe kurichu paranjittullathu.
ee arivillathavanu ithu manasilakunnilla
My Respected Sisters, please don't act like a political forum. This is Holy Church
its very unfortunate to see this type of comment from a lady holding a responsible position.i urge theophilos thirumeni to give some good advice to this female warriors just to keep silence when our church is passing through a crisis.
Akkama chedathy naale ningalkku methranakanam ennu eekanakkinu poyal ningal parayum
pande pennungale nilakku niruthenda samayam kazhinju
chedathy karutha saryum vella blouse ma correct
Anil Riyadh:
Samoohathinte munpanthiyileku kazhivulla sthreekal kadannu varunnathu abhimanamaya kariam thanne...Purushanmar cheyunna ethu kariavum innu sthreekalum cheyunnu...Plane parapikunnu, thengil kayarunnu, Kinar kuthunnu, Rashthreeyathil thilangunnu....Enthinu Libiyayile sthanam ozhinja Gaddafi yude body guards polum sthreekal aayirunnu !!! Pandathekal upari sthreekal innu vidya sambannar aanu...Adaki bharicha kalam oke poyi kazhinju...Innu sthreekale shakthikondo (purushane thirichu thallunna sthreekale kurichu naam ketitundu), budhi kondo (pen budhi pin budhi alla...athu valachu criminal kariathinu vere upayogikunnu) keezhpeduthan patilla...Pinne sneham kondu mathrame purushanu innu sthreeye keezhpeduthan pattuka ullu. Orthodox sabha sthreekalku manyamaya pariganana kodukunnu...Sthreekal undenkil pothuyogam bhangi aayi nadathan pattum ennu oru comment pandu ketu...Chila aalukal sthreekalde munpil shine cheyyan show kanikanum sadhyatha undu...Niyama sabhayil sthreekal undu...Avide bahalathinu vello kuravu undo???
Sabha edukunna ee theerumanam shari aano thettano ennu kalam kanichu tharum...
Appol chila samshayangal baki...
#> Penkuttikale parishudha madbahayil sisrushayil pankedupikamo???
#> Kanya sthreekale kondu vishudha Qurbana chollipikan patumo? Vaideekare pole sthree vaideekar sabhayil undavumo???
Dear Accamma Aunty/Chechy/Madam/Ammachi.(sorry I don't know much about you)
Thalley athu kalaki. It should have been Black Saree and White Blouse. Also what material (Cotton, Silk, Polyster)should have been mentioned. Orthodox Church is accomodating women but in our church we don't give any such prominence. We follow the Pauline epistle so we don't have issue. Our women sit at home and listen to the men folk. Now your poor ladies if they wear black blouse and white saree, people will start asking, "innu Kari dinamano enne". Sthri Sthrikku thanney para. Anubhavikku Orthodox Sahodarikalley? 100 years of Catholicate!
Inniyum Mudhal Mathai Chettan Adukala pani cheyum,Akkamma chedathy pallyile kariyom nokhi vellasum.Chedathykhea adhikum Thamasikadhea Malankarayile Stree Ratna Pattom Kittum.Pinnea Achi patttom anganea Cor achi....Metrachi Pattom.
Ithrayokh ayittum nammude metrachanmar padichillayo.Iniyum Ennu annu padikunadh.Kollecheritil Kollu Pedhichu thannudh pora.Iniyum Ammammaarude pedikhanamo.Sh! Mosham Mosham.
This is very unfortunate that the way of protest,afterall they are getting some participation. Instead of protest they have to celebrate.
Raju Daniel,Hyderabad.
Diocese Council member of Bangalore Diocese.
Respected Accamma Madam,
Holy Khurbana ennu parayunnathu nigalkko kure achhenmarko protest chhyuvanullatha, njangaleppoleulla sadharana jangalka athinoodu athiyaa bhakti unndu.
അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ പത്ര പ്രസ്താവന തരാം താണതും നിലവാരം ഇല്ലാത്തതും : ഫാ. എബി ഫിലിപ്പ് സ്ത്രീകള്‍ക്ക് ഇടവക തലത്തില്‍ മാത്രം പ്രാതിനിധ്യം നല്‍കിയാല്‍ മതിയെന്ന സഭാ മാനേജിംഗ് കമ്മറ്റി തീരുമാനത്തിന് പ്രതിഷേധമായി സെപ്റ്റംബര്‍ 25 ഞായര്‍ കറുത്ത ഞായര്‍ ആയി ആചരിക്കണമെന്നുള്ള അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ ഒറ്റയാന്‍ പ്രഖ്യാപനം തരംതാണതും നിലവാരം കെട്ടതുമായിപോയി. മര്‍ത്തമറിയം സമാജത്തിന്റെ മുന്‍ ചുമതലക്കാരി വീണ്ടും ആ പ്രസ്ഥാനത്തില്‍ ഇത്തിള്‍കണ്ണിപോലെ കടിച്ചുതൂങ്ങി കിടക്കുവാന്‍ വേണ്ടിയുള്ള വേലയാണോ? അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ പ്രസ്താവന കേട്ട് സഭയില്‍ 50 പേരെങ്കിലും ഇങ്ങനെ ചെയ്യുമോ? സ്ത്രീകള്‍ക്ക് ഈ തീരുമാനത്തില്‍ എന്തെങ്കിലും പ്രതിഷേധമുണ്ടെങ്കില്‍ ദേവാലയത്തില്‍ ഞായറാഴ്ച വി.കുര്‍ബ്ബാന ദിവസം കറുത്ത ബ്ളൌസും വെളുത്ത സാരിയുമുടുത്തല്ല പ്രതിഷേധമറിയിക്കേണ്ടത്. അറിയിക്കേണ്ടവര്‍ (ഇപ്പോഴത്തെ സമാജം ചുമതലക്കാര്‍) അറിയിക്കേണ്ട സ്ഥാനത്ത് അറിയിക്കേണ്ട രീതിയിലാണ്. ഈ തീരുമാനത്തില്‍ പ്രതിഷേധിച്ച് പ്രഖ്യാപനം നടത്തിയ അക്കാമ്മ പോളിനോട് ഒരു ചോദ്യം. പരി.സഭ കോലഞ്ചേരി പള്ളി പ്രശ്നത്തില്‍ ഏറെ പ്രയാസപ്പെട്ടപ്പോള്‍ അക്കാമ്മ പോളിന്റെ കറുത്ത ബ്ളൌസും വെളുത്ത സാരിയും എവിടെ പോയി? പരി.ബാവ തിരുമേനി അടിയന്തിരമായി ഇടപെട്ട് ഇങ്ങനെയുള്ളവരെ ശാസിക്കുകയെങ്കിലും ചെയ്തില്ലെങ്കില്‍ ഞങ്ങളെ പോലെയുള്ളവര്‍ക്ക് അത് ഏറെ വേദനയുണ്ടാക്കും. (ഫാ. എബി ഫിലിപ്പ് , സഭാ മാനേജിംഗ് കമ്മറ്റി അംഗം )
People like Accamma Paul takes the advantage of positions and influences, because of which others with reputation in the family,society,community are sidelined.Already there are office bearers for MOMS who has to recommend such,if any.Because of the over smartness of these type of people I always prefer that for any Post/Designation it should be a ONE MAN-ONE POST-ONETIME (limited period)which should be applicable for all activities, from top to bottom.Now the Malankara Association date is announced and it is heard that some of the present incumbents are for the race again because of the money power,muscle power, influences.It is my humble request to such members to pave the way for others too.For eg.Dr.George Joseph is very active as the Sabha Secretary and many good things were initiated during his tenure,which is highly appreciated,but it doesn't mean that he should be re-elected,instead even if there is any force/backings he should pave way for some other George Josephs and experience their performance.
Fr.Varghese Yohannan Vattaparampil
Bombay Diocese
Feeling very sad that a lady who does not know the value and meaning of Sunday was at the top of the malankara sabha MOMS all these days, if I am right for 18 years. How can she make such a statement against the Lord’s day? Is that day, a day for her to show her protest? After hearing and seeing all these Where was Accamma Ammachy and her comments when our Holy Fathers were fasting at Kolencherry? Why she has not proved her capability there? I wonder why no church officials are taking any action against her comment? Praying that may the coming MOSC meeting does not pass the decision.
Mariamma Thomas, Delhi
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