Thursday, August 18, 2011

Church Unity in Malankara & Fr. Geevarghese Kalloopparampil.

 
Church Unity in Malankara & Fr. Geevarghese Kalloopparampil.

An Exclusive Interview with Fr. V. M. Geevarghese Kalloopparampil, Pallam, Kottayam.

14 comments:

Shaji K said...

1) Why our priest they are not thinking like this?
2) Why our Priest they are not accept there (Our ) PATRIARCHS?

Our people they are forget Christianity?

John said...

The real christian church of kerala -- The Malankara church- Orthodox/Jacobite church-- is struggling for its existence!!!
Once a Priest in the Malankara Church told "Vadakkanmar Andha Visvasikalum Thekkanmar Kapada Visvasikalum anu".
The reason is
(1)Vadakkanmar's (Jacobites) false belief that the patriarch of Antioch is in the throne of St.Peter and so we every bishops are under him and the . They are thinking that place of Patriarch bava is just after the Heavenly Bava. They even don’t know no Orthodox Church (Oriental /Eastern) in the world other than Jacobite group of Syrian orthodox church has this false belief. Even the concept of hierarchy (priestly rule) is absent in the faith/tradition of any Oriental Church. The Oriental Church’s faith is that every bishops are equal and manifests the Christ.
(2)Thekkanmar(Orthodox) Kapada Visvasikal--- because they are like 'pareesanmar’ .They have true faith in their Church but they are only showing and not going to the real spirit of their faith.
If the Orthodox /Jacobite groups united it will be a strong community in kerala. Then Who are against this unity?
(1) Roman Catholic Church & their political supporters
(2) Orthodox groupile chila methrachanmarum avarude koodeyulla ethikannikalum
(3) The Jacobite groupile dhanavum adhikaravum kaikariyam cheyyunnavar.
(4) Oru pakshe Patriarch of Antioch(?)

nithin said...

എനിക്ക് തോന്നുനത് ഇനി ഒരു unity -ഉം സാധ്യമ അല്ല ,കാരണം മനസു കൊണ്ട് രണ്ടു കൂടരും രണ്ടായി കഴിഞ്ഞു .ഇനി അഥവാ ഒന്നാകു ആണെകില്‍ തനെ, അത് നിര്‍ബന്ധിച്ചു കല്യാണം കഴിപികുനത് പോലെ ആയിരിക്കും.

ഇവിടെ orthodox -കര്‍കും പരിശുദ്ധ patriarchese ബാവാ -കും മാത്രമേ സഭ ഒന്നാകണം എന്ന് ആഗ്രഹം ഉള്ളു . തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമനും കുട്ടര്കും സഭ രണ്ടു ആകണം എന്നാണു ആഗ്രഹം.

ഏറ്റവും നല്ല പരിപാടി malankara suryani sabha -yle രണ്ടു റീത്ത് ആയിട്ടു നില്കുനതാണ് ,

(1 )കാരണം രണ്ടു കൂടരും പരിശുദ്ധ patraiarchese bava -യെ അല്‍മിക തലവന്‍ ആയിട്ടു അങ്ങികരികുന്നു.
( 2 ) patraiarchese kashikar - ഭരണ തലവന്‍ ആയിട്ടു patriarchese bava -യെ അങ്ങികരികുന്നു.
(3 ) orthodox kashikar - ഭരണ തലവന്‍ ആയിട്ടു malnakara metrapolitha -യെ അങ്ങികരികുന്നു.
(4 ) orthodox kashikar - അല്‍മിക തലവന്‍ ആയിട്ടു പരിശുദ്ധ catholica ബാവാ-യും അങ്ങികരികുന്നു.

അങ്ങനെ നോകുമ്പോള്‍ ഭരണ തലവന്‍ മാത്രമേ രണ്ടു കൂടര്കും വത്യസും ഉള്ളു ,ആയതിനാല്‍ malankara suryani sabha -yle രണ്ടു orthodox റീത്തുകള്‍ ആയിട്ടു രണ്ടു കൂടരും നില്കുനതാണ് നല്തു.അങനെ ആവുമ്പോള്‍ രണ്ടു കൂടര്കും അങ്ങോട്ടും ഇങ്ങോട്ടും പള്ളികളില്‍ പ്രേവേശികാം.

Fr.JOMON KOCHUPARAMBIL said...

i think nithin is absolutely right

rajanthomas said...

When Jesus Christ became man and lived in this world/ earth, he had no throne,crown or palace and the staff!Our Bishops,or Patriarch or Catholicos have everything of this world!Therefore unity in Malankara Church is not possible!
Another thing is that as long as H.B. Thomas is there, unity will never take place as he never talks of Jesus CHRIST but always talks of'Throne' which Christ did not promise or offer to his Disciples on earth!

Geogy Abraham said...

If the both the groups identities are accepted and recognized, then there should be no problem.

Syrian Orthodox Church will be the biggest amoung all.

Jyothish Kurichy said...

KALOOPARAMBIL ACHEN KNOWS ALL TRUTH.BUT HE CANT SAY EVERY THING OPEN.ANALL SRESTHANU PEDI ULLA ORU ACHENANU KALOOPARAMPIL ACHEN. .ACHEN MALANKARA SABHAYIL ALLARUM ADARIKUNA PREIST ANU.BUT MALANKARA SABHAVEETHAM ARKU KODUKANAM.OLD SABHAIL THERE IS TWO FACTIONS THAT IS METHRAN AND BAVA KASHI.AFTER JUDJEMENT FROM SUPREME COURT AND MALANKARE ASOOSIATION THERE IS ONLY ONE SABHA.H B BASELIOUS PAULOSE 2ND LED SABHA IS NOT THERE NOW ONLY PUTHEN KURISH SOCITEY IS THERE.HOW CAN WE GIVE OLD CHURCHES TO THIS SOCITEY.THOSE WHO GO OUT THEY CAN MAKE NEW CHURCHES.IN KURINJI CHURCH WHAT THEY DO THEY ATTACK ORTHODOX VICAR AND PEOPLE.PUTHENKURISH PRIESTS CAN CELEBRATE MUNNINMEL QURBANA BUT ORTHODOX CANT DO IN THEIR TURN.IF OUR PRIESTS DO THEY WILL BE ATACKED.SO IF WE ARANGE TURN IN CHURCHES SAME KURINJI WILL BE GOING TO HAPPEN .SO VEETHEM VAPPU IS NOT THE WAY FOR PEACE .ONLY CHURCH UNITY IS THE WAY FOR PEACE IN CHURCH.LET US PEAY FOR THAT.

MOSC member said...

Nithin , i am very much supporting your idea. Nithin already told here MOSC is accepting patriarch as a our spiritual leader.He also already accepted MOSC 1934 constitution and supremcort judgment.I am also accepting patriarch with the evidence of first tubthen.Now i want to know if any MOSC member out of this 7 is interested in church unity(mean mosc with Patriarch).Then we will start our work now...This is very sutable time and we dont bother about jacobite and knyanaya.Joice Did u interested in our church unity?we become two fractions of malakara suriyani sabha.

nithin said...

hello all,this is not my idea ,i get this idea from here..


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ഞാന്‍ അത് ഒന്നുകൂടെ പറഞ്ഞുനെ ഉള്ളു.

nithin said...

anyway ,i m also supporting this idea for unity

Shaji K said...

Nithin, Thank You for UR Comment.

Orthodox, jacobite and Knanaya under the spiritual leader of patriarch
Same like Jacobite and Knanaya
Or Roman, Lathin and Malankara Catholic

MOSC member said...

Hi Nithin,
Could you please pass ur e mail id.. I will contact you for our church unity.Here I am writing my email id... you can contact me...binogrg@gmail.com

MOSC member said...

Hi Nithin,
My contact details- binogrg@gmail.com,please give ur contact details i will contact you.

Anonymous USA said...

The unity may possible after the death of Thomas I. It is only a probability