Monday, September 20, 2010

HH The Catholicos Excommunicated Fr. C. G. Mathew after proper procedures



Mar Severios Moosa Gurgan excommunicated Mar Gregorios Mathews from Antiochian Orthodox Church. Mathews Mar Gregorios establish a new Church named Malankara Orthodox Independent Syriac Church. 

65 comments:

George said...

I am still not able to understand why MTV gives undue importance to dissident group, which is not even accepted as a Church by sister Oriental Churches. I am even surprised to find MTV addressing CG Vagheese as a Metropolitan.

Thomas said...

NOT ONLY THAT THE PRIMATE HAS TO WIND UP ALL ILLEAGAL CHURCH ACTIVITIES IN KERALA AND IN INDIA AND IN THE MALANKARA CHURCH AND CONFINE TO EUROPE ONLY.

THOMAS KUTTIKANDATHIL.

1 said...

wow.........good leadership of the g church has been able to dicipline the METROPOLITAN.This is what lacked in our sabha,thats why we have notorious priests like fr edayanal.We are going down and others going up.

Nebu said...

Jist the beginning of the gang fight, in side the underworld of
greedy and fraudulant fake bishops.

Nebu Cherian

frkoshym said...

Very very very good
FR koshy mathew mavelikara

sam said...

Dear All
Some people think that they have a media to publish anything they like!This Thadevoos media and its ownercum bishop can he go and preach gospel among non-beleivers or other than orthodox christians!
Even he should not conduct any liturgy for the sake Christ as he is not committed himself to Christ as yet!

Santhosh said...

Dear Joys,
You must stop this kind of news from the website. You are giving undue importance to these fellows
Varghese achen

George said...

This incident can be viewed in two contrasting ways, positive and negative. Basically, we donot know much about HG Gurgan Mar Sevarius. Right from the very beginning, we were showing a tendency to picture him as a person who is aiming to destroy us. Even now we do not know exactly what are his motives. May be his intentions are good, may be bad. As such, it would be better for us not to get excited over what has just happened. Again, let us not brand HG as a super strategist.Let us watch and see what is happening tomorrow. It is rightly said,"JUDGE NOT".
### George Joseph ###

jamon said...

Very interesting Drama. ………Again They got more coverage from MTV side, know everybody telling……….. Good leadership of the church has been able to discipline the METROPOLITAN
They already proved there Discipline few months before
Please wait and see....
Take care

Mathew Kuriakose, PTA said...

നിങ്ങള്‍ ബേജാര്‍ ആവാതെ. M TV ഇത് പൊളിച്ചു അടുക്കുന്നത് ആസ്വദിക്കുക

PHILIPOSE said...

Anthiocian Church rectified its mistake.Good step from that church leaders.Dear Joys you are representing good values as a media person please keep it up.Don't stop publishing theArticle related to Anthiocian church.We are living in a secular country there everybody have the freedom to paractise their relegion.Why we are angry with Anthiocian church allow them to work as they wish.

Anil said...

I strongly feel that this episode is a drama, Mtv is playing a double game, any sane person can understand,dont just get carried away just wait& see.Varghese.

GEEVAR said...

OOPS..........
THIS IS JUST TO WHIP-HAND OUR PEOPLE,

SMIOSC Well Wishers said...

See, CG called all unparliamenty words to our Bava Thirumeni. Experience Our Bava is a holy man.

Avarachayan said...

നമ്മക്ക് കാത്തിരുന്നു കാണാം മക്കളെ. Mr.C.G.mathews ഒരു മാംസ പിണ്ഡം ആയി മാറുന്നത്. കണ്ടാല്‍ ഒരു ഹിജഡ ലൂക്ക് ഉണ്ട് താനും.

Avarachayan said...

ഇനി സി.ജി ക്ക് തന്നെ തിരിച്ചെടുക്കാന്‍ വേണ്ടി ചെയ്യാന്‍ പറ്റുന്ന നല്ല പണിയുണ്ട്. ഒരു അമ്മ തന്റെ ഒളിച്ചോടിപ്പോയ മകളെ തിരിച്ചു വരുത്താന്‍ ശ്രമിക്കുന്ന രംഗം കണ്ടു നോക്കൂ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwEjF-1jZc

Mathew Kuriakose, PTA said...

അപ്പോള്‍ ചരിത്രകാരനും സൌത്ത് വെസ്റ്റിലെ സ്നേഹിതരും കൂടി ഇനി ഗുര്‍ഗന്റെ കൂടെ കൂടുമോ സി ജി യുടെ കൂടെ കൂടുമോ?

Binu Mathew said...

Dont we all miss Vattakkunnel Bava now? .What we need at presnt in Malankara is someone like him as an iron man who can control his own Metropolitans, preists and laity, so that others will not dare to utter any nonsense like what came in Thadevoos editorial which is to be highly condemned.It should not come from a religious magazine about anyone including even the religious leaders of other religions. Sometime back someone in this forum addressed Chrysostum thirumeni as 'Komaali'.May God forgive those who called Didimos Bava as 'eunuch' and Chrysostum thirumeni as 'Komali' .There were also unparliamentary words being seen used in this forum by someone about jacobite. It only shows where he is coming from and his family he is hailing from.The hands that write such comments and the mouths utter such words about God's servants will repent themselves in due course in their life.I do not think any one with any sense ,irrespective of denominational difference will encourage such people.

vilsontp said...

Very good. Now Mosa Gurgan will think 100 times before consecrating more bishops. CG may not have problem as he can act as Bishop and celebrate holy communion for the people coming to his chapel at Amayannoor.
The news came in the news paper is wrong as Mosa Gurgan not allowed CG to celebrate holy communion but only as MR. Mathew not Fr. Mathew. Mr. Mathew canot celebrate Holy communion. But once he become bishop no one can take it back.

Reju said...

parisudda orthodox sabhye avahelichha yudase (mr C.G Mathew)
iniyegilum nallvanayi jeevikkan nokku

Ajesh said...

If only two of our very prominent Bishops had taken the correct stand....all this issues concerning Moosa Gurgan & whatever could have been avoided...... I am not saying any names, but those who know the stories behind this (especially the clergy) will know better.....

Yes we miss Vattakkunnel Bava a lot..... Sad that nobody is even trying to be like Him........

God Save our Church!!!!

Ravi George said...

The moment CG teased Moses like HH Didodmos bava, his fate was decided. let us call him only CG Varghese. Even the bishop who anointed him has terminated his bishophood

I hope his followeres all those who have joined the team realise the fact and come back to mother church (after repenting)

Ravi George said...

Since Gurgan has RETRACED HIS Actions in Kerala, will the HOLY SYNOD reconsider the action taken against Gurgan?

Saju said...

How can an excommunicated person excommunicate another person? Again, if all excommunicated persons be called with their first names, there are many to be called as such, including bishop Gurgan. This action of bishop Gurgan shows his immaturity and inexperience to be a leader of Church. But one should appreciate his boldness to take quick action, whether good or bad. If MOSC leadership showed one-in-hundreth boldness, Bishop Gurgan ordination and all these calamities would have been eliminated. Those who celebrate should remember one thing, whatever happening now is a disgrace to all Orthodox groups because their names and vestments are similar. Shame on all those who are responsible for these unfortunate events.
Saju,USA

Nice Up said...

Everyone wants to be the general, but nobody wants to lead. Enough is enough already! Why won't our leaders practice true Christianity and work towards peace and unity! I am sure Mar Gregorios, Mar Dionysius, St. Mary, and all the saints and angels weep for us.

Nice Up said...

Enough is enough of this! Everyone wants to be general, but no one is willing to lead? I am sure Mar Gregorios, Mar Dionysius, St. Mary the Mother of God, and all other saints and angels are weeping for us and our deviation from our Lord. Why won't our leaders practice real Christianity?

varkey said...

This is getting more interesting... better than the daily TV serials. Now CG should send a 'Kalpana' excommuniacting Moosa, who has been thrice excommunicated by Patriarch and once derecognised by Catholica bava.

varkey said...

This is getting more interesting... better than the daily TV serials. Now CG should send a 'Kalpana' excommuniacting Moosa, who has been thrice excommunicated by Patriarch and once derecognised by Catholica bava.

rajan said...

Dear Brothers in Our Lord Jesus Christ
First of all I don’t know the Editor of the “Un recognized yellow publishing” who become himself as a weapon of the Satan, Whoever it may be his father and mother may be lucky if they are not alive now and not in the late evening stage of their life. As far as for him they are “Dead meat” and have no human value. It may be their ill fate if they are alive or harvesting now for what they have sawed: such an immoral man for the society. Just we can console them. Now even I doubt whether he knows their identity. Leave aside such immoral creature as it is common to hear such nuisance sound in the street on our way to home.
Secondly, why to bother about those, who are merely opportunist and have neither any ethics nor a policy and worse than the nasty and crooked politicians. Such people don’t have any value on their mother; the Orthodox church who fed and brought them up but leaves the house for vested interest and totally ignore her. They are also in same status of the Editor of the “Yellow Publishing” Leave them aside, as Jesus said they are not worthy, as they belong to the world and will betray even His creator, then what about the mother Church leaving her in the street so that wicked may .. ............. . In the race there may be lot of participant, but the winners will be few. Everybody can’t be ordained as Bishop if they have applied for and are in the panel or even not included in the panels. But those who trust on God’s will, definitely conclude that “The Time has not come and it was the desire of God. I have to devote only on what for I have been called for. He has to reaffirm again that to serve Him, to proclaim Him and to witness Him as a model for the world and not to run for positions and material gains. Further in other place our Lord has warned to us about the Pharisees and Sadducees “Listen to their teachings only but don’t look and practice what they does”
Contd....
Varghese Mathai (Member SGOC,Sharjah)

rajan said...

Finally, there is no justification on the politics playing by Patriarc Gurgan, as he is the main ringmaster of this game. It is the same policy of the while skin “divide and rule”. Or else it can be compared with the left over bones thrown out in front of the greedy so that they will be after it. In other words he is fishing out by making the pond unstill. It is not what the Lord has commanded to His disciples and what they have handed over to the ordained ones. They don’t even know about or don’t bother about the commandment of our Lord: Evangelisation of the gentiles and to make more followers of Christ. They are not real shepherds and be categorised under what the Lord Has said...........??
Varghese Mathai (Member of SGOC, Sharjah)

Jithin Samgeorge said...

മൂസ ഗുര്‍ഗാന്‍ മെത്രാച്ചന്‍റെ മുടക്ക് കല്പന വായിച്ചപ്പോള്‍ ശരിക്കും ചിരിയാണ് വരുന്നത്.. കാരണം "5. Your name is no more Mor Gregorios, but from now on only Mr. Mathews." ... പട്ടത്വം ഇങ്ങനെ തിരിച്ചു എടുക്കാന്‍ ഗുര്‍ഗാന്‍ മെത്രാന് പറ്റും എങ്കില്‍ അദ്ദേഹത്തിന് ലഭിച്ച മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സഭയുടെ കൈവെപ്പും പണ്ടേ തിരിച്ചു എടുക്കപെട്ടതല്ലെ?? അങ്ങനെ എങ്കില്‍ Mr. Moses എന്നല്ലേ അദ്ദേഹം അറിയപ്പെടു..

sampariyarathu said...

wehave already SYRIAN JACOBITE/JACOBITE Syrian church here may be we will have Another Antochean Jacobite Church or Malankara Jacobite church soon!
When Jesus comes back in glory he will not find anybody having faith In Lord as we have More faith in creating more Churches/sects!
More More Catholicose in Malankara!
Archbishop catholicose,Mafriyan Catholicose,Pope/coptic Catholicose,Partriarch Catholicose so on!All catholicose!!Every where Catholicose!Sarva Mayam Catholicose!!!

Dr.Philipose Joshua said...

വേലി ചാടിയ പശുവിന് കോലു കൊണ്ട് അവസാനം!

Prof.Dr.Philipose Joshua
Trivandrum

Mathew Kuriakose, PTA said...

സി ജി മാത്യു മെത്രാന് ശരിക്കും വട്ടായെന്നു തോന്നുന്നു.

Ravi George said...

I am suprised by the poor quality of the lete rwritten by CG. Probably he couldn't find sufficient time to draft a letter of excommunications.

All these poeple deserve to be condemned in teh most severe language.

I think Gurgan too learned a lesson in Kerala.

What a shame!

I hope the faithful and those ordained by CG will repent o ftheir sins and coem back to original church.

Ravi George said...

THE DANCE OF CHUVANNA KUPPAYAM. I think it is high time that we formulate sufficient laws to strictly restrict CHUVANNA KUPPAYAM

Jojy Vazhuvady said...

Ara vatte undariunnu.. eppol muzhuvaanayi.. pacha kallangal.. enganne parayunna oralle ....

GEEVAR said...

EVEN A LITTLE CHILD CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE OF ANTIOCHIAN SYRIAC ORTHODOX CHURCH AND CG'S NEW CHURCH........

THEIR ALL LAYMEN WILL BECOME METROPOLITANS..............

EACH OF THEM WILL LEAD THERE OWN "CHURCH".

WE SHOULD SUGGEST THEM THAT IT'D BE BETTER IF THEY USE THEIR FAMILY NAME INSTEAD OF "ORTHODOX"...

GEEVAR said...

READ CG'S 'KALPANA,

GREATNESS CAUSES ENVY
ENVY MAKES ENMITY
AND ENMITY GIVE BIRTH TO MAD

THE STAGE OF CG SEEMS AS IT'S REACHED THE LAST.

WHAT A FUNNY KALPANA?

KEEP PUBLISHING HIS LETTERS, OUR BLOG WILL BECOME MORE FAMOUS THAN TINTUMON'S COMICS' SITE

Sajy said...

I enjoyed latest excommunication kalpana very much

varkey said...

As Mar Yulios thirumeni had rightly said some time back, such pseudo churches will perish as time passes. Now CG and Moosa would have to think thrice before giving kaivappu to someone of their ilk. Also both CG and Moosa should spend sometime reading the bulls of HH Patriach of Antioch before they sit to draft another excommunication letter :)-

Reni said...

After seeing the Kalpana of Mar Severiois Moosa Gurgan, I felt respect for him. He declared his objective not to anoint anyone as catholocos in Malankara whe he could have anointed a catholicose to shame all Syrain faithful in Kerala. I think there is some goodness in him.

Reni said...

Kushinikkaran Achane puratthakkiya pole thonni CG yude puratthakkal kalpana kandappol.


When there is ANRACHY in the country, peopel cry for some RULE. Having seen so much indisciple, strikes and too many hartals, some Indians comment that India needs militar rule for a decade.

Just like that, DISCIPLINE NEDS TO BE ENFORCED IN THE CHURCH. But who will bell the CAT (Red kupppayams)?

Ther is an article in OrthodoxHerald threatening (?) Bava thirumeni or church leaders for not 'supporting' MO Johan achen.

What a people! How can someone use threatening language against a HOly FATHER. They break the 5th commandment which says Honour Your Father & Mother.

Chuch is like our mother, God our Father is represented by HH Bava thirumeni. I can only pray: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. (Luke 23:34)

Ronnie Daniel said...

"Metranmaarude papangalude list yehovayude aduthethiappol, lokam muzhuvan kalla metranmarekkondu nirayatte ennu yehova kalpichu."

jeebo said...

Jojy Vazhuvadi

Congratulations.

Good article.

It may open the eyes of those ready to jump to fish from the troubled water.

May God bless you.

Jeebo g Kulathumkal, Delhi

jeebo said...

Good work Jojy

Ravi George said...

How can we enforce discipline if any priest violates it?

Priests are products of laity. Unless laity is disciplined we cannot expect to get good disciplined priests.

LET US ALL LEARN TO BE GOOD DISCIPLES OF CHRIST

kurian Varghese said...

I agree totally with Shri Joji Vazhuvadi. JEEVITHAM KONDU PARISHUDHANAYA CATHOLICA BAVA, HH BASELIOS MARTHOMA DIDIMOSINE MAMSAPINDAM ENNU "THADEVOOSIL VISHESHIPPICHATHINTE SHIKSHA ANU INNU KIITTIYATHU. Let him face it.

Joji , your article is fine
KURIAN VARHGESE
GHAZIABAD

Isaac said...

Frankly speaking we the ordinarymembers of the church is spoiling our Priests and Bishops with all the undue attention and privilages.
Now the excommunication process is going on but so far nobody has taken off their cerimonial robs and still enjoying as Bishops and Priests.
One question I would like to ask the Malankara Orthodox Catholicate that what have you done to those two Metropolitans who ordained Gurgan as a Bishop in a very secret manner? Why no excommunication for them bcoz they acted agnist the basic principals of the church in the first place.

eldo said...

orutharathil c g kku kanikkan photo undu metran aayathinu.thamas kathilikkakku athu polum ellallo.c g is betterthan thomas.atleast some evidence to prove metran vazhcha.

InfoTech said...

Next, CG Mathews will excommunicate Catholica Bava and all synod members and consecrate himself as the catholicos

Thomas said...

As the bishop-hood cannot be taken back. If we are calling the bishop Mathews Mar Gregorious by his layman name C. G. Varghese, the MOSC Catholicos, Bishops and priests must also be called by their layman name only as all these personalities right form the MOSC Catholicos is excommunicated in 1973 by the Patriarch of Antioch, the spiritual supreme head of MOSC as per the 1934 constitution. It is high time that the faction fight in Malankara has to be stopped and a more better decision together by the MOSC and JSOC must happen at the earliest. In this modern era of majority of the youth moving away from the church and Orthodox principles, either a complete merge or a peaceful co-existence has to be devised at the earliest and the Witness of our Lord Jesus Christ has to be shown before the society or the fate of Syrian tradition and Orthodox Christianity is going to be a jeopardize only soon.

Personally I am against the evil mind of the bishop Mathews Mar Gregorious who is looking only for positions and fame. But unfortunately things got happened which cannot be taken back and only the next era can decide the fate.

May God give wisdom to all leaders to act appropriately.

rajan said...

Dear Mr. Issac,
I think either it is your ignorance or purposely ignoring about anointing and ordaining. Read 1Samuel Ch.10.1 “Lord anoints you as ruler of his people” Ch10.9 “God gave Saul a new nature” – the Holy Spirit. Ch.15.28 “The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you”. But still remain physically as the King till David reach maturity. But note that from that day on wards – Ch.16.14 “The Lord’s Spirit left Saul and an evil spirit sent by the Lord tormented him”. From then on, whenever the evil spirit sent by the God came on Saul, David would get his harp and play it. The evil spirit would leave, and Saul would feel better and be all right again Ch16.23. Hence, ask both your both fraction churches to direct both (H.G. Gurgan & Fr. C. G. Varghese) to send any Ordained Bishop from Orthodox Church so that they would feel better. As well about priest hood and baptism also seems to be so ignorant. Anointing is done only once, declares according to the Church Creed. Same is for the priesthood also. It can’t be repeated, as these acts are done by the Holy Spirit and He transform the concerned by purification. Always remember that in the Holy act of this purification if it exceeds the melting point then becomes ashes. That is why could not agree with the Protestants who baptise once again the anointed Christians.
We Orthodox Church have always shown our tolerance (still we are accommodating the Jaicobites) and always gave the defaulters an opportunity for rectification. See the Excommunication Order 482 & 483/2010 of His Holiness.
Jai Jai Catholicose.

Varghese Mathai (Member of MGOC Sharjah)

rajan said...

Dear Mr. Thomas,

Do you allow your neighbor to be your head of the family and do all the things what you have to do as a father,husband and head of your family. It can't be; as society label some thing else.
If so let neighbor be a good friend and don't allow him to take your seat etc etc., That is what has happened by interference by the Patriarch from an Arab country. And his excommunication has no validity as he has violated the last commandment Ex.2-.17. Yes our earlier Fathers allow them as chief guest and celebrant by mistake by seeing their white skin. But when recognize them as wolf, Orthodox Church reacted as they tried to demoralize the family (Orthodox Church) as a whole.But even then as they love peace tolerated them for a long time though they and their followers were trouble makers.And still we are tolerating it. For reconciliation need initiation from both end with tendency of give and take. But can do only a Day Dream as there are certain "Upajapaka Sangham" on both sides with their vested interest and are the hurdles. Despite all these there are certain other fractions also now to see a major down fall for the Orthodox Church.

Varghese Mathai
Member SGOC Sharjah

Malankara Orthodox TV said...

Pl. Visit
http://malankaraorthodoxtv.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post.html

Thomas said...

YES THOMAS, VALIYA BAVA THIRUMENI WAS CALLED BY YOUR ANCESTORS AS VRIDHAN (OLD MAN)PUNNOOSE.BUT THE SAME PEOPLE CAME TO KISS HIS HANDS AFTER THE 1958 SUPREME COURT VERDICT.PATRIARCH IS ONLY "ETTILE PASHU"(COW IN THE BOOK)FOR THE MALANKARA CHURCH.
THOMAS KUTTIKANDATHIL.

Abraham said...

Yes Mr.Issac, you said it correctly. It is only we to be blamed for all these unhealthy events happening in our Christanity especially, the Orthodox community.One ordains and then excommunicates ! It is a not a new thing. It is going on for years and will go on for many years to come unless the ordinary lay man wakes up and stop supporting this sort cross border business.
I really don't understand what is Mr.Varghese Mathai (Rajan/Member of SGOC, Sharjah)'s problem?
Is he try ing educate the layman? I think he should teach all the Priests and Bishops since he is well versed with our Holy Bible.
Or he is trying to be the next ??

Ravi George said...

@Thomas

HH Patriarch had issued a Kalpana in 1970. It says Apostle THOMAS is only an ALMENI. That is Apostle Thomas MR THOMAS.

HH Patriarch has no authority to excommunicate or disrob St Thomas.
No doubt, HH did it with EVIL MIND. Such KALPANAS are not valid.

The motive behind the excommunication of Catholicose was also the same. So we have thrown it in the Arabian sea. The Antochian church also went down the sea along with that kalpana.

The older generations of Malnkara Christians were afraid of Antioch. Now the new generation know how to treat them! If the 1934 constitution says Antochian patriarch is the head of our church, I dot understand which Patriarch. I HEARD THERE ARE 5 or 6bishops calling themselves as Antochian patriarchs.

Jomon said...

Ravi, I think your comment I dont know which Patriarch is the same as "I DONT KNOW WHO MY FATHER IS." Of course, the children know their FATHER and We do obey him.
Then Ravi, What do you know the present Status of Patriarch of Antioch. Have you ever visited HH in Damascus. If not, Please hear it from me that HH is treated AS EQUAL TO THE PRESIDENT OF SYRIA in syria. HH is a special invitee in almost all the state organised functions. Have you ever visited Syrian Orthodox Churches in Germany, Switzerland, Holand, Netherlands, UK, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon.....
Please study before comment. I dont think that SYRIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH IS IN A PATHETIC SITUATION AS YOU UNDERSTANDS.
Regards
Jomon

rajan said...

Dear Abraham,

My problems are you people only, as unncessarily interfering in my family matters(Orthodox Church). Dear man I know for what I have been called for by my Almighty Lord. With all my inability and limitations I am trying my best to please Him. And still continuing it as a strong believer of Orthodoxy and Christianity. We are well trained and blessed with teachers like Osthathios thirumeni, under whom we got basic concept from 1964 onwards (Age 14-18) at my adolscent stage. We never bribe and get preist hood and bishoporic hood without knowing even the basic concepts of Christian fiath and principles. If you feel neccessary for your Priests and Bishops, there are so many elders in Sharjah Church who are capable to teach as we studied and learned from blessed priests and Bishops of our church.
We will pray for you so that the giver of wisdom enlighten your mind for proper guidence.

Still yours loving in our Lord Jesus Christ who is the real Teacher.

Varghese Mathai
Member SGOC Sharjah

sampariyarathu said...

Dear Jomon
Jesus said His Kingdom is not of here!(not this world)If Partriach of SOC in Damascus is given some VIP treatment/ royal position let him enjoy that there!But this will not be a status for entering in the kingdom of Heaven!Those Who do "the will of Heavenly father are eligible to enter his Kingdom of Heaven"!Syrian Church are financially doing better because of their arch dioces in U.S.A and other european countries!As long as SyrianOrthodox Church head cannot reconcile with MOSC and withdraw heretical teaching of his precedessor,What ever position he got it now or the Facilities enjoying now will not a merit for God's kingdom!

sampariyarathu said...

Dear All
L/L. H/H Yakkoob III himself was confused!Ealier he wrote a book in which he said St.Thomas was elevated as a priest in AD34 and St.Thomas Came in India(Malankara)preached Christianity and ordained Varius Brahmins as Priests. Later In 1970 he said through is infamous Bull,St.Thomas was not a Priest! Honestly and sincerely The L/L H.H. Yakkoob III cannot be a true Christian at all! This L/L.H.H. Yakkoob III stayed in Malankara before his Consecration as Bishop, as a remban(namely very.Rev.aprem aboodi) as well as caretaker of Partriarch during the church feud in 1940's!can My Jacobites friends comment these as total lies?Why did L/L.H.H Elias III failed in his peace Mission in Malankara?Jacobites do not have any proper answer to this as they were ever lying!! Many antiochean Partriarch bought their title from Sultan of Turkey by giving Money! even in their history of Antioch Partriarch there were many tug of war for position/power!

Ebenezar said...

Dear Thomas
Refer to your comments on Sept,23You should know the 1934constituition and MOSC canon!The Partriarch of Antioch acted against these two bylaws!
The Antiochean Partriarch cannot ex-communicate the Catholicose,or any Synod members of Malankara without calling a Synod in Malankara!The Antiochean Partriarch cannot consecrate either catholicose/maphriyans without Malankara syrian christian Association /synod recommendations!Jesus Christ never appointed a single supremacy in charge of his church on earth!Who was violating law and order!Who violated Church constituition and canons!Who preached heresy against Christ's teachings/bible? The division in Malankara was originally created by Antiochean heirarchy!Instead of spreading Christianity in India, antiocheans tried to colonise Malankara church founded by St.thomas!

Evolution said...

Dear Bros. now just think on this line why this is happening in MSOC, i think its because the church is founded on urge for "Independence". gives more importance to constitution and democracy than discipline, love for the lord and holy synod. You must learn even the highest spiritual leader of the world, H.H pope is getting elected by the Holy synod and not as in the case of MSOC( election process where even the govt. election may get only second place for the kind of politics and drama). Discipline and respect for the holy synod will never lead to a split( evident from the fact that the syro malabar church after the great split have never experienced any big problems since the faithful hold that much lenience towards their sheperds).

Innocent said...

Evolution,
Are you talking about MOSC or MSOC. If you mean our church, it should be MSJC. We don't use Orthodox in Malankara. Hope you know that.
I hope the matter is to do with MOSC.
These MOSC guys talk too much about constitution and ignore our Patriarch and the faith. They should first accept our Patriarch and then talk about constitution. See we guys don't bother about constitution. These MOSC says that our constitution in Malankara is different from that of Damascus. So what our Patriarch remains the same and we listen to him totally.
Now the MOSC is making big drama with regard to the consecration of their new Catholicose. What is so big about it. Afterall he is not approved by our Patriarch
Long live Antiochian Patriarchate.