Thursday, September 16, 2010

A priest Managing Committee Member of MOSC prepared to join in Antiochian Syriac Orthodox Church

A priest Managing Committee Member of MOSC prepared to join in Antiochian Syriac Orthodox Church.


An Explanation from Fr. Geevarghese Ramban Elavukkattu.

32 comments:

Mathew Kuriakose, PTA said...

Appol charithrakaran Ithuvare Paranjathellam Oru Chuvanna Kuppayathinu Vendy Thally Parayumo. Kazhtam Thanne.

Ee Chuvanna Kuppayam Onnu Matty Vella Kuppayam Aakkunna Karyam Sabha Nethruthwam Adiyanthiramayi Pariganikkanam. Kurepperkkenkilum Pralophanathil Ninnu Raksha Kittumallo.

George said...

The Editorial of Thadevus towards its end makes it clear that the latest syrian church coming up in Malankara is "Ethiopean" Syrian Orthodox Church. Is it yet another new one or the last one of HG Gurgan Severius renamed? Anyhow, whatever splits and divisions we try out, we are still a long way behind our Pentecost brothers. So we need not worry. Yet, the usage "MAMSAPINDAM"in the subject editorial was beyond dignity.
###George Joseph###

George said...

I guess MTV should stop publishing news about the so called church made up of a bunch of goons and thugs , who had defied the Patriarch and Catholicos of the East

Mathew Kuriakose, PTA said...

Americayil Idanju Nilkkunna Orthodox kare pidikkan (Kalakka Vellathil Meen Pidikkan) Aanu Gurgan & Co. yude sramamennu Thonnunnu.

Americayil ulla Nammude Barnabas Thirumeni, Alexios Thirumeni ennivare Udane nattilekku Pack Chaithillenkil Nammude Aalkkare Mikkavarum Gurgan Kondupokum. Randu Methrachanmarudeyum Mandatharangal Iny Adhikam Janam Sahikkumennu Thonnunnilla.

Avarachayan said...

ഇതൊക്കെ വായിക്കുമ്പോള്‍ തോന്നുന്നത് പ്രതികരണശേഷി ഇല്ലാത്തവര്‍ ആണോ തെക്കന്‍ ജില്ലകളില്‍ കഴിയുന്ന മലങ്കര സഭ മക്കള്‍ !!!!!!!!

ഒരു വാടക മെത്രാന്‍ എത്ര പച്ചയയിട്ടാണ് മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സഭയെയും അതിന്റെ പരമാധ്യക്ഷനെയും തെറി പറഞ്ഞത്.

ഹിജഡകളെയാണോ നമ്മള്‍ എന്നെങ്കിലും ഭരണം ഏല്പിച്ചത്. ഹിജഡ എന്നാല്‍ shemale- അതായതു ആണും അല്ല പെണ്ണും അല്ലാത്ത ഒരു കൂട്ടം.
പിന്നെ നമ്മുടെ ബാവ തിരുമേനിയെ അല്ലെ മാംസ പിണ്ഡം എന്ന് വിളിച്ചത്.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ഹലോ ജൂദാസ് മെത്രാനെ !!! താങ്കള്‍ക്ക് പറ്റിയ സ്ഥലം ഞങ്ങളുടെ നാടാണ്. ഇങ്ങോട്ട് പോരുന്നോ.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Reju said...

parisudda catholikkosineyum parisudda patriarcatineyum kaliyakkunna tadevoosineyum metranmareyum nilakku nirthiyillangil avasanam athu malankara sabhakku apathayi marum

Mathew Kuriakose, PTA said...

Rambacha,

Fatherless Pany Kanikkatha Rambachane Orthu Njangal Abhimanikkunnu.

Ravi George said...

Very Rev Rambacha

Your stand has been made clear. SO PLEASE HAVE PEACE OF MIND. LET NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WHO SPREAD RUMOURS TROUBLE YOUR GOOD WORKS

Thanking the LORD for your services to our Sabha

RAVI GEORGE
ALWAYE

kurian Varghese said...

IT IS REALLY VERY BAD ON THE PART OF THE EDITORIAL WRITER. THEY SHOWS THEIR ILLITERACY.
LET THEM DO THEIR BUSINESS BUT CALLING OUR CATHOLICOSE IN SUCH WAY IS BAD. LET GOD EXCUSE HIM.

Reni said...

A professioan keeps changing his company for all reason-- promtions, salary hikes, thrilling jobs, new work environments, global postings, learning opportunity, friends, enemies, divorces or marriage etc.. many many reasons.

Have soem of our priests stooped down to this level if go by the reports that soem have already deserted the church fo posts like Deacons, priests, bishops, catholicose..

if my memory is correct, it was the same GURGGAN who wanted to Church to be united in Malnkara.

HYPOCRITES! what else can we call these fellows

Reni said...

Adhikarathinu vendiyo allenkil panatthinuvendiyo ammayeyum pengaleyum bharyayeyum okke vilkunna vrithiketta aalukale patti pathrangalil vaayikkarundallo nammal..
Athupole aathmeeyathayilum vritthiketta manushyar undu ennu enikku ippol manassilaakunnu.

oru chuvana kuppaayam kittan vendi karthavine venamenkilum ivar ottum. Allenkil veettukarum sammathikkilla..Enganeyum oru chuvanna kuppayam vanganam. Athinu enthu kaliyum aakam. Kittikazhinjal sweekaranam okke sngahatippicchu pathratthil photo adicchu vannal, valia car-il natannal pinne pazhayathu ellam theernallo. Athanu innu kaalam theliyichu kondirikkunnathu.

ORU CHOLLU KOODI MALAYALATTHIL UNDAKKAM

NAANAM KETTUM CHUVANNA KUPPAYAM UNDAKKIYAL NAANAKKEDU AA CHUVANNA KUPPAAYAM THEERTHUKOLLUM.

(I did not mean Very Rev Geevarghese Ramabchan who already made his stand clear. MAY GOD BLESS YOU RAMBACHEN)

Reji said...

I don't understand why we are very much scared this kind of news. We know our strenth. Just ingore all news. If anyone wanted to go let them go. If anyone wanted to come please think 10times.

Reji Thomas Kottarakara(UK)

Abraham said...

It seems that CG Mathews himself dont know the name of his new church. In editorial he is mentioning "Ethiopian Syriac" orthodox church.

indian orthodox said...

the thadevadoos magazine is trying all means to create concusion among mosc community,letz ignore the stupid journels in the said magazine,itz after all behaving like a third class journel published by judas the traitor who cheated the church.its well known factor that they are doing campaining same like pentecost to attract people,no surprise if a criminal if he pays more money they wont mind making his even supreme catholicos of malankara,just ignore the new faction and lets hope the god fearing people of mosc wont go in to the traps!!!!!

Jeevan said...

Agree with George

We should stop publishing the news about the Gurgan Church.

Unnecessarily we are advertising them. If the news about them is banned from our media, majority will not even not even know anything about them

By making a mountain out of a molehill, we are highlighthing our weakness and playing to there agenda.

jacobmathew karuvatta said...

Ethu ezhuthiyavaneppatti karthavu paranjathu keettillayo''aa manusian janikkathirunnenkil kollayirunnu '' ningal sabhayundakkukayo chethukarane methranakkukayo cheitholoo.pakshe njangalude appanu neere thiriyanda.Malankara sabhayil oru catholicos mathrameeyullu.orappanumeyullu.athu didimos prathaman bavathirumeni thanne.manarkattu pandoruthan bavae nindichathinte bhalam thirakki nokku

George said...

Respected Rambachen,
Let me congratulate you for coming out openly and declaring your stand. As you have rightly said, satanic forces are working in our Church. We too create opportunities for such forces by deviating from our mission. We simply ignor Christ and do things our way and evil forces come to rule us. Prayers from people like you alone can sustain our Church. Christ is with you. Our prayers are with you. Please continue to serve and lead the Church with the same vigour you have been showing all these years.
Regards in Christ ### George Joseph ###

Ravi George said...

In our sabha all the spolits were led by poortunistic priests. They convinced a group of leity who followed them leter. These were only for power and money.

What shall do stop such defections from the church? Shall we divert our discuussiosn to that?

Thomas said...

EARLIER NEWS WAS THAT A RETIRED BISHOP IS GOING TO BECOME ANTIOKYAN CATHOLICOSE.NOW IT IS A PRIEST.LIKE KP YOHANNAN WAS ELEVATED AS A METROPOLITAN DIRECTLY FROM A PREACHER WITH OUT BECOMING A PRIEST AND ALSO LIKE PALAKUNNATHU METRAN DIRECTLY FROM A DEACON IT IS POSSIBLE THAT NOTHING WRONG A PRIEST AS CATHOLICOSE OF THE "ETHYOPEAN" CHURCH" BECAUSE A CATHOLICOSE IS VERY BADLY NEEDED IN A CHURCH HAVING 2 BISHOPS,2 PRIESTS,10 DEACONS WITH NO PARISHES AND FOLLOWERS!
THADHEVOOS STILL EDITED AND PUBLISHED BY FR.C.G. Mathews praise only clemis bava thinking he may get some support from them.but clemis is very clever who knows supporting bishop c.g. mathews will be suicidal as the fishes who jump from the orthodox kaayal will go to anthyokyan net if he support them.FURTHER CG WANTS TO TELL PEOPLE THAT ALL CATHOLICOSES ARE SLAVES QUOTIG CLAUSE 1 OF THE COSTITUTION AND WHAT IS THERE IF THE NEW CATHOLICOS IS GOING TO BE UNDER GURGAN?
Thomas Kuttikandathil.

Deep Always with u.... said...

DEEP JOHN - kuwait
I Red editorial in Thadevoose Magazine. ആദ്യം കേഫാ, ദാ വീണ്ടും വീണ്ടും വന്നേക്കുന്നു തദേവൂസ്, ഉദിഷ്ട കാര്യങളുടെ മദ്യസ്ധൻ, എന്തിനാ ഈ പരിശുധ്ന്മാരുടെ നാമത്തിനു കളംങ്കം വരുത്തുന്നെ..., സ്വന്തം അമ്മയെ ഉപേക്ഷിചു പോയവരല്ലെ മലങ്കര കാത്തലിക്, അപ്പൊ ഇതല്ല ഇതിൽ കൂടുതൽ കാണിചില്ലങ്കിലെ ഉള്ളു കുഴപ്പം.പിന്നെ പൌരസ്ത്യ കാതോലിക്ക പരിശുദ്ദ ദിദിമോസ് ബാവ original ആണോ അതൊ duep ആണോ എന്നു കച്ചട കത്തോലിക്ക പേപ്പറിൽ അച്ചടിച്ചു കുറുക്കന്റെ കൂട്ടു കൂവണ്ട കാരിയമില്ല. ഭാരതത്തിലെ ജനങൾക്കു അതറിയാം. പക്ഷെ ക്ലീമീസിനു അതു വേണം.തദേവൂസ് മസിക ഉപകരിക്കും.

Deep Always with u.... said...

DEEP JOHN - kuwait
I Red editorial in Thadevoose Magazine. ആദ്യം കേഫാ, ദാ വീണ്ടും വന്നേക്കുന്നു തദേവൂസ്, ഉദിഷ്ട കാര്യങളുടെ മദ്യസ്ധൻ, എന്തിനാ ഈ പരിശുധ്ന്മാരുടെ നാമത്തിനു കളംങ്കം വരുത്തുന്നെ..., സ്വന്തം അമ്മയെ ഉപേക്ഷിചു പോയവരല്ലെ മലങ്കര കാത്തലിക്, അപ്പൊ ഇതല്ല ഇതിൽ കൂടുതൽ കാണിചില്ലങ്കിലെ ഉള്ളു കുഴപ്പം.പിന്നെ പൌരസ്ത്യ കാതോലിക്ക പരിശുദ്ദ ദിദിമോസ് ബാവ original ആണോ അതൊ duep ആണോ എന്നു കച്ചട കത്തോലിക്ക പേപ്പറിൽ അച്ചടിച്ചു കുറുക്കന്റെ കൂട്ടു കൂവണ്ട കാരിയമില്ല. ഭാരതത്തിലെ ജനങൾക്കു അതറിയാം. പക്ഷെ ക്ലീമീസിനു അതു വേണം.തദേവൂസ് മസിക ഉപകരിക്കും.

Reni said...

Yes Me George

Satanic forces are at work through the minds of some people.

satan is tempting some sanyasis with the pomp and lory of bishophood.

We have to do so homework to control this trend

I believe that the post of Thirumeni is now considered as a post of power and show. Thante CROSS eduthu anugamikkananu karthaavu parnajathu. ITHU innu nadakkunnunto? Ithu engane natappkaan kazhiyum? Ithu vannal genuine ayittullavar kooduthalaayi karthavu nalkum. peopel who covet this 'trone' will keep away when hey know that thi is the same thorn which was put on Christ head.

The lifestykle of MANY BISHOPS are tempting the greedy people. Therefore we need to correct the appraoch towards bishops and their conduct must be accordingto that. Hope we'll discuss thsi

Ravi George said...

It has become the dream of any unmarried priest that he should be a bishop. Some join the stream only with that intention. Such priests, when they become bishops, will bring only shame to the church. They do more harm to the church than GOOD.

In services like IAS, central Govt is considering to drop people who are still not fruitful after many years. WHY DO NOT WE take this example in the Church. If the bishops is not doing good fo the church and is just for his own glory, let the bishos be moved to some other posts where they can be useful for the church.

But it is feared that when we move such bishops then they'll teach us a lesson by bunking and destroying the church. They live according to their selfish motives and do all evil things aginst the church. They tempt the clergy and laity to join them and rebel against the church. So now we are afraid to take action.

I THINK THAT GOD IS THE HUSBAND OF THE CHURCH. ALL GOOD PEOPLE MUST CRY AND PRAY TO GOD TO KEEP HIS CLEAN. BUT WE BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY AND Think ELECTion will bring the good BISHOPS. WE SHOULD BELIEVE IN GOD AND THEN ELECT THE SUITABLOE ONES. ONLY WHEN WE TURN TO GOD, HE WILL GIVE US GOOD LEADERS.

All this evil happens because are not trusting in God and in our vain thoughts hope that by 'voting' we can find good ones.

So we have many bad models for unmarried priests to follow.

Ravi George said...

I pray that G_D bless us with more and more godly people like Rev Geevarghese Ramabchan who declare their confidence in G_D and His Church.

We find many a worried faitful due to the greedy and ungodly mind of a few priests who are ready to do anything for getting 'RED KUPPAYAM'

Ravi George said...

നമ്മുടെ HOLY ബാവ തിരുമേനിയെ അല്ലെ മാംസ പിണ്ഡം എന്ന് വിളിച്ചthayi Avarachan ezhuti kandu.

Araanu ee EVIL MIND-odu koodi parisuddha THIRUMNIYE angane vilicchathu? AVANODU DAIVAOM karuna kaanikkatte enne enikku parayaan sadhikkunnullu.

I am sure that if OUR THIRUMENI comes to know about that HH too wil only pray for dushthan.

Ithra dushtanmar nammude itayil attinltholitta chennykale pole idayanmarude veshatthil natakkunnudallo ennu orkkumbol valare vedana thonnunnu.

That is why JESUS said the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way is thief. YES WE DO HAVE SOME THIEVES in our midst. You can knwo by their fruits. They got their REd kuppayam by oportunistic actions. Some defect Church, some pay money, soem seek VOTES...

We have to cleanse the church of all THESE EVIL.

SWANTHOM FAMILY ANENKILUM EVIL PARIAADIKKKU ETHIRU NIKKANAM

Ravi George said...

The art of becoming bishops by defections, by fighting has been ther for many years. We have a Reeth founder who wished to become catholocose and now on the way sainthood.

In our church tehr are soem who became by agressive campaigning for votes.

In the last one decase one bihsop in another church mastered the art of selling bishoshood, selling decorations like chavellier, commander, and many others... GURGAN who was too anxious to anxious to HEAL the wounds of split in Malankara is to playing his role in dividing the church. It is OFF_SEASOn in his church. NOW! whoever try to join as prists wil have SO MANY FREE OFFFERS!

POST OF BISHOPS OR CATHOLICOSE IS AVAILABLE (TO eligibe?)IN GURGAN'S CHURCH. How sad a good church is being destroyed by all these people with the connivance of foreigners.

WE INMALNKARA have to wake up!

Reni said...

I think the only way we can solve the problems created by 'FOREIGNERS' is that we aim to unite all the Orthodox Churches in India and become a true Indian Church adoptingthe best from all our yriac tradition. ONLY TRULY SPIRITUAL PEOPLE CAN GUIDE US TOWRDS IT

Sam said...

In Olden Days There were so many Yellow Newspapers in Kerala!likewise now a days there so many church media!however they do not carry the proper mission of Christ!they are like political parties and their media!We don't need to worry about them! These people do not have any proper mission and vision of Church!Why do we need so many orthodox division of church in Malankara!Even Moses Mar Goorgan is unable to have a proper congregation in Germany or Europe!
"Mookkillathavan murimookkane kuttam parayunnapole" Oru thadevoos!

philip abraham said...

Fr. Dr. M.O. John is an eminent priest and personality, a learned scholar, historian, teacher and a talented person with management qualities. All reasonably thinking members of the clergy and the laity rightly know Achen is surely and undoubtedly an asset of the Malankara Orthodox Church.
If he had happened to be in any other denomination, definitely he would have been elevated to Episcopal rank long ago. Though he had qualified all mandatory norms for the Malankara Orthodox Church Episcopate this time, he was disqualified based on lack of prayer. But lack of prayer was not set as a mandatory norm for qualification and rightly so, because it is said: “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you (Mathew 6:6)”. Therefore, definitely lack of prayer can be evaluated only by GOD and not by man. Consequently, praying in public to appease man is not warranted at all. And Achen rightly did that.
Here, the selection committee for the Episcopal candidates disqualified Achen based on lack of prayer. Is this an area to be determined by the selection committee? Definitely not. And that too when it was not part of the stipulated norms for the selection. Selection committee has to strictly abide to the norms; deviating neither to the left or right, nor back or front.
It’s quite evident Achen was disqualified to settle personal scores on vengeful attributes.
The value of the “Eye” cannot be realized by one who has it. It’s not too late to correct mistakes; Remember “He who is without blemish, let him cast the first stone”

sampariyarathu said...

The Politricking Of Selection committe(Bishopselection /election of MOSC)are well known to All in MOSC!If M.O. John Achan becomes bishop he will get support of many people in Malankara rather than Thadevoos owner bishop or the other two from Jacbite faction!The people are tired of MOSC politics in Bishop selction and Dioceses re-division and re-structuring/ re-organising new ones etc!This is one the reason of people of south are not responding as a member of managing committe member told me in private!Any how we do not know what happened Fr.M.O.John as yet!
without fire there is no smoke!

Reni said...

Can John Achen serve the Church only if he is ordaind a bishop? I have read many issues of his publication called 'Malankara Sabha Deepam'. My observation is: Achen uses this substandrd publication to establish himself; he never cares about the damage he has done to this Sabha by publishing some articles. I have met many people who know him. They have expressed similar views about him. But my objective is not to judge Fr Dr M O John

in old times, priests were forced by others to become bishops. They considered bishophood as a huge responsibility and feared it. Now te attitie is: "IF HE CAN , WHY CAN'T I BE?"

We should believe in the WORKS of the HOLY SPIRIT and understand that Christ calls whoever He wants. That is why St Paul was called to serve the church.

Why should we think that John Achan must be chosen as bishop in order to serve church? We should remember that those who aspire may not get it

Now priests think they can work only if they are chosen to wear red kuppayama. What a tragedy for our sabha!

George said...

There is truth in what Mr Reni says. There is even a scope for rethinking the methodology we adopt in choosing Bishops. Spiritually thinking people subcribe to a view that Priests and Bishops are really chosen by a divine call, but the over doze of democracy in our selection procedure makes it a human exercise. Perhaps, MOTV can take an initiative to call for suggestions from readers for a new system based on which a consolidated paper can be submitted to the leadership. Whether this would be taken up for a discussion at their end is something we need not bother. But it will serve as a strong and constructive move from the laity. Yes, we do have fora like general body and all that, but the opinion of non leaders are seldom carried up.
### George Joseph ###