Wednesday, July 7, 2010

Catholicate Centenary: Suggestions from Fr. Johnson Punchakkonam

Catholicate Centenary: Suggestions from Fr. Johnson Punchakkonam.

31 comments:

rinsam2002 said...

To Make a suggestion/proposal is easy but to implement is diifficult.Especially In MOSC now a days there are many self interested Spiritual leaders as well as laymen who are after power/position only.Jubilee is the Year of Reconcilition ! Think about that, first and formost is Give God Almighty first place in our haerts/minds/deeds and in our church

Philip said...

Yes the suggestions are very good. I agree with rinsam's comments

Sam said...

Read BETHEL PATHRIKA JUNE-2010
Mor Athanasios of Chengannoor Diocese Artcle about CATHOLICATE CENTENARY CELEBERATIONS! There is o need for Further Comments from MTV Viewers

Varghese said...

What about starting one Seminary in U.S? These are things that are practically possible, but we need to put in efforts. Now I read about the number of meetings and conferences being organized around India to mark the Centenary. Keep an account of how much are we going to spend. For what? You don’t need 10% of the total you spend on these meetings to start a university for the Church and a Seminary in U.S.

A proposal worth considering is to set up a centre in Holy Land. Today we see many people going to Holy Land. If our church want we can set up a sort of retreat centre there. This will in future turn out to be a pilgrimage centre. But where do we have the foresight. I understand a few of our Bishops suggested it but the elite club vetoed it.

Will we get one additional faithful to our church after conducting all these meetings? Now Amayanoor will attract more faithful. We can call meetings after meetings and have some food and issue kalpanas etc. and collect bata and go home and talk that our Church was founded by St.Thomas. Please don’t bring shame to the Saint.

Many blame Puthecruz society for their stand on St.Thomas. But look at the way they have celebrated the memorial day of St.Thomas. Even though the Dhukrono we celebrate is on 21st December, I don’t know whether we will do it with such pomp and vigour. We can criticize them saying that they celebrate on the day the relics of St.Thomas was taken to Edessa from India is what they are celebrating which is on July 3rd.

Meanwhile, the proposals of Punchakonom Achen needs to be applauded. Also the word Antioch which was not in the original constitution needs to be removed. It is the handiwork of one foolish advocate and we carry it. Nannum kettavante ‘mattedathu’ aallu kilirthal athum avanoru thanalla’. May be this foreign body is what is creating all this cancer in the body of our Church.

Varghese said...

Good enthusiastic Convener for the Centenary committee and I understand he has got a bunch of retired hands working with him busy with making logos and books and what not?
Saw the proposals of the Convener HG Thomas Mar Athanasios of Chengannur. Towards end of the same there is a mention about a memorial building of Catholicate to be built at an appropriate place. Hope it is not at Chenganur!

We all know the status of the Secretariat building at Devalokam? What will happen to that? May be it is not part of Catholicate!

Now just about two years for the Centenary, yet to decide where to build a building. Do we have anything in Cochin other than a small Cathedral and an office to run our cases? Should someone suggest having it there? Is it not common sense? Where was the Church entrepreneurs conference held. In Cochin. Why? It is the centre of the State.

We claim to have the heritage of 2000 years and the Catholicate completing 100 years. Any plans to have a deemed university for our Seminarians. Our Seminary is affiliated to a university which was formed much after that.

Varghese said...

Good enthusiastic Convener for the Centenary committee and I understand he has got a bunch of retired hands working with him busy with making logos and books and what not?
Saw the proposals of the Convener HG Thomas Mar Athanasios of Chengannur. Towards end of the same there is a mention about a memorial building of Catholicate to be built at an appropriate place. Hope it is not at Chenganur!

We all know the status of the Secretariat building at Devalokam? What will happen to that? May be it is not part of Catholicate!

Now just about two years for the Centenary, yet to decide where to build a building. Do we have anything in Cochin other than a small Cathedral and an office to run our cases? Should someone suggest having it there? Is it not common sense? Where was the Church entrepreneurs conference held. In Cochin. Why? It is the centre of the State.

We claim to have the heritage of 2000 years and the Catholicate completing 100 years. Any plans to have a deemed university for our Seminarians. Our Seminary is affiliated to a university which was formed much after that.

What about starting one Seminary in U.S? These are things that are practically possible, but we need to put in efforts. Now I read about the number of meetings and conferences being organized around India to mark the Centenary. Keep an account of how much are we going to spend. For what? You don’t need 10% of the total you spend on these meetings to start a university for the Church and a Seminary in U.S.

A proposal worth considering is to set up a centre in Holy Land. Today we see many people going to Holy Land. If our church want we can set up a sort of retreat centre there. This will in future turn out to be a pilgrimage centre. But where do we have the foresight. I understand a few of our Bishops suggested it but the elite club vetoed it.

Will we get one additional faithful to our church after conducting all these meetings? Now Amayanoor will attract more faithful. We can call meetings after meetings and have some food and issue kalpanas etc. and collect bata and go home and talk that our Church was founded by St.Thomas. Please don’t bring shame to the Saint.

Many blame Puthecruz society for their stand on St.Thomas. But look at the way they have celebrated the memorial day of St.Thomas. Even though the Dhukrono we celebrate is on 21st December, I don’t know whether we will do it with such pomp and vigour. We can criticize them saying that they celebrate on the day the relics of St.Thomas was taken to Edessa from India is what they are celebrating which is on July 3rd.

Meanwhile, the proposals of Punchakonom Achen needs to be applauded. Also the word Antioch which was not in the original constitution needs to be removed. It is the handiwork of one foolish advocate and we carry it. Nannum kettavante ‘mattedathu’ aallu kilirthal athum avanoru thanalla’. May be this foreign body is what is creating all this cancer in the body of our Church.

Philip said...

After reading the proposals of Mar Athanasios, I would suggest the bloggers to listen to the speech of Mar Thevodorous on the occassion of
SILVER JUBILEE CELEBRATIONS OF SARITA VIHAR ST. THOMAS ORTHODOX CHURCH vailable on MTV.
That should be the vision and mission of our time any time. By doing that we should be able to celebrate the Centenary every day in the midst of the needy and poor.
Also I feel the St.Thomas Church Delhi has better programs than the short sighted projects proposed by Mar Athanasios and his team.

Sam said...

Mr.Varghese comment about Dukharono of St.Thomas,yes he is right!Especially this year the day came on a Saturday and our Church leaders especially many priests do not bother to mention it on previous sunday or did not conduct Holy Qurbana on that Day. they were busy with their own matters!WE always say We are St.Thomas Christians that is by our lips only
to honour that day in a proper day it deserves many of our spiritual leaders forgot! Shame for IOC/MOSC!!

eldhose said...

PUNJAKONAM ACHO ETTIRIKUNNA KUPPAYAM KARUPUM CHOLLUNNA QURBANA SURIYANI YUM ALLE?
ALLATHE KAVI DRESS UM SAMSCRITHA VUM ALLALO?
PINNE PATRIARCH NA VAZHIKUNNA KARYAM NINGAL ATHALLA ATHINAPPURAM CHEYYUM GURGANDA MUNGAMIKALALLE?
PINNE CASE NDA KARYAM E SOLUTION JSC ANNU MUTHALE PARAYUNNATHA. IOC LEADERS NU APPOL CASE NU VENDI OFFICE THANNE THUDANGAN ANU THALPARYAM. ORU KARYAM ORKUKA POOTI KIDAKUNNA PALLIKAL JSC UDATHU MATRAMANU.
PALLIKAL POOTIKUNNA ORTHADOX U KARA SWARGATHIL NINGALUDA PRATHIBHALAM VALUTHAYIRIKUM.

Varghese said...

Here we see in Eldhose a true Syrian. Poor man he still things Zakka and Co are Syrians. This nut need to be thrown out into Barmooda triangle. Doesn't know the importance of Kavi and Sanskrit. What do you think if our Achens wear it they will not be given permission to enter Heaven. All who wears black and speak Syrian should give the royalty to Eldhose otherwise he will feel offended and Kefa may undress you on public road. How can such nuts be seen even in 2012. Oh what more can we expect from the disciple of Thomas Pradhaman. How can we blame their mother when she herself doesn;t who their father is! Literal B------D. Need to sympathise.

Thomas said...

With all due respect to Achen I would like to tell you that, please don't make a move to remove the Patriarch of Antioch. Even I being an MOSC member, I think for what we affirmed in our court and is even still considered as our spiritual supreme head is the Patriarch of Antioch and all the East who is the first among the equal to the Catholicos. Our tradition and heritage is Syrian and not Sanskrit or Saffron, thought as an Indian identity we can express that, but as a religious identity, Syriac and Black/Red robs is our identity. I really don't understand why we need to claim as a national church, when we have a constitution saying that we have a relationship with the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch and that we are somehow trying to disprove. I don't know what we gain from doing this.

eldhose said...

Dear sam
thankal varuthe kidannu vayittalakukayanu. devalokam orthadox sabhyaku suriyani parambaryam anthanu? suriyani sabha pithakanmar upayogikunna amshavasthrangalum devalokam sabha anthinu upayogikunnu? 19 th century vare antinoch simhasa thinda keezhilayirunna sabhayil sambathika labhathinum sthanamanangalkum vendi athanum chila methran mar koodi nadathiya kaliyuda bhagamayanu ennathe devalokam sabga undayathu.powrohithyathinda uravidam antinoch simhasanamanu.ningaluda constitution nil polum antinoch anna word upayogichirikunnu.court il patriarch na thallipparayan ningalku dairyam undo?

rajanthomas said...

Dear All
Syriac is not a Language of God(Deva Bhasha).You Can Worship God in own mother tongue. The Attire/Dress is also like the language. you can have the national dress of India.In Babel the Language splitted/diversified and in Pentacost the splitted language United or the diferent language speaking people were able to grasp and understood The Disciples spoke in Hebrew language.
If you look at all oriental orthodox heads they have different attire/dress code.
The importanat aspect is to worship God almighty In Truth and Spirit!

sampariyarathu said...

Dear Eldhose
The judgement is in the court of Lord God!Whatever we judge each other what ever Right we claim each other will not be a Right before our God/ in the eyes of Lord!If A Priest commented something in a forum it is not necsserily the Final decision /verdict of MOSC.
again You Must understand the Title "Partiarch" is not from God/Jesus Christ.These titles are man made later AD325,and All titles like Pope,Partriarch and Catholicose have the same meaning.
Eldhose If you study oriental orthodoxy and heads you will understand it.To me JUBILEE is the year of Reconciliation read Levictus: 25. we must think/act like that what Lord said to Israelites!

Sam said...

Dear Eldhose
I think you are totally brainwashed! The Christian priesthood in Our church is not derived from Antioch!The priesthood of Christ and how it spread in church,refer to Qurbana song""Aadyachariyathwam Kaikondu....Kartha than sleehanmarkum,Naana shristi vibhagangalkeki sleehanmar!!Jesus Christ gave 12 apostles the priesthood. not to one apostle!Antioch is not mother church.Church of jerusalem which began on pentacost day is the mother church. The name christians were given in Antioch because,Antioch was a populated city of both Jews and Gentiles. Apostle paul and barnabas preached and worked there more than a year. after that the followers of Christ were called Christians(Acts 11;9-26)
Now who made the frst liturgy of H.Qurbana? who was the first bishop of JERUSALEM?and how come St.Paul describe the four order of Church administration in his epistles:-Laity,Deacons,presbyters/Priests,Overseer/bishops etc.. there are no mention of these orders bySt.Peter in his Epistles.
Who ordained St.Paul when and where?
Now coming to antioch syrian Relationship. there were no antioch /malankara ties before Coonan cross oath in1653. The Church In Malankara had early ties with church in Persia and used East syriac liturgy in worship. When malankara started ties with Antioch that in17th centuary the Antiocheans changed the Liturgy to West syriac which is in practise now.Untl 16th centuary there were no Antiochean liturgy in Malankara church.
All cases such as Vattipanam,1&2 Samudaya cases are filed by antioch
or Jacobites In Malankara. everything came to an end in 1958 after Supreme cout verdict. The antiochean Partriarch Accepted Malankara catholicose and 1934 constituition. There were no conditions for peace and unity in Malankara,or query about priesthood of Catholicose GeevargheseII.
Who started the problems again,and who was behind the present situation in Malankara?
Dear Eldhose, st.thomas the apostle of India is Like St.Peter.this means all authority/position/power of Christ's priest hood is With St.thomas. You also read Galatians 2:11-14 here St.paul rebuked St.peter by face by face.
Can you tell me a single verse from Bible which says that PriestHood derived from throne of antioch.
Again Jesus christ promised his apostles Thrones of Judgement on his second coming to judge 12 tribes of Israel.no thrones in earth! In Heaven there are thrones for Jesus and his disciples!
Go through bible!

Varghese said...

Where did the Marthomites get the ordination from?
What link do they have with the Syrian Orthodox Church today?
Is the Patriarch remembered in their prayers?
Compared to other churches in Kerala, they appear to be a more disciplined lot, why?
They know where to keep the Patriarch and the so called throne and Antioch. They dumped him as soon as they got the ordination. Just like Gurgon did.
As a result they have less issues.

Now what we are doings is ‘taking the snake from the fence and keep it in our underwear’ and then scream, it is biting us. Simply get rid of that nonsense. With that definitely some flesh will go, but that is better than spreading the poison all over the body.
Difficult to digest, isn’t it. But that was and is the only solution yesterday, today and tomorrow.
We don’t have any interest in following what Jesus and his disciples said, but we are very much concerned with what the Patriarch say. What nonsense? Heretics. Snakes can always find a way to survive. Why should we keep it at an unwanted place. I endorse the views of Fr.Punchakon. But will there be any who is interested?
Frogs like Eldhose will scream until they are swallowed by the snake

Joshy said...

Mr. varghese,
If you compare the Malankara Sabha(Orthodox and Jacabite)with Marthoma sabha the best way for you is to surrender all the churches where your people are minority the way marthomaites did during the "reformation" period. They left almost all the churches where they were mmonorities while held only four churches when they departed. See the Chengannur pally where your faction and Marthomites are equal so you share with it. Similarly if say (including Punchakkonam Achan) that MOSC should follow Indian tradition first what you must do is to gave up the title "Cathiolocose" with the Didimos I because it is not an Indian creation,It is a foreign one and also you must remove all the title Patriarch gave to the devalokam catholica including the title "Malankara Methrapolita" and to take new one like Marthomite do eg: Bigger methrapolita, Highest Methrapolita Superior metrapoita etc...

Thomas said...

If an anonymous voting ballot is conducted for all the layman in the MOSC church, I am sure majority of the people are having the opinion of keeping the relationship with Patriach of Antioch. I would at-least affirm here that I prefer to be in a Malankara Church which is part of the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch. Also I know personally a lot of people who are of the similar preferences and opinion. WE ARE NO WAY READY TO ACCEPT A CHURCH WHICH IS CLAIMING AUTOCEPHALY AND DISREGARDING PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH AS OUR SPIRITUAL SUPREME HEAD. We don't want a church authority which is having one opinion in the court for acquiring the procession of the church and a contradictory decision when it comes to reality. REMEMBER THAT ANY CHURCH WITH OUT ANY MEMBERS IS LIKE A SHEPHERD WHO IS LOOSING ALL HIS SHEEP.

Indian Christianity said...

Dear Eldho,
Please study the origin and development of Syrian liturgy http://www.orthodoxherald.net/archives/1519

Thomas said...

What ever the history or (modified history version), we are not interested in a change from the current status, either it may be an administration change or a liturgy change. These are all I feel just like trying to prove that we are not related to Syriac Orthodox church of Antioch. But even a small kid can understand the fact easily now from what we are following now. We are in the Orthodoxy faith even from the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch. There is nothing we can claim as of Indian origin other than than the Saint Thomas and Syrian Christian tradition. Even though I am now in the MOSC church, I wish to utter that "Antiochya Malankara Bandham Neenaal Vazhattee. Nobody need to brainwash us with history and proofs.

Varghese said...

joshy,
In the list of things that we need to give away, should we include christ and christianity aswell because it also came from foreign land. Come out of the pond and stop sticking to Antiochian Publications. Read from people who doesn't have link to either of the factions. Use a bit of common sense. Not much, I know it is very rare with you guys

sam said...

Dear Thomas ,we MOSC are not against antioch relatioship. nobody brought here any new history.But Bible also a proof more than history.St.thomas christians/malankara nazranis are the spiritual Children of Apostle Thomas of Jesus Christ.Their Spiritual father is St.thomas and we are not under the see of st.Peter in antioch.Read what St.paul said to 1 Corinthian4: 15-16. like that st.Thomas is our father and all other apostles are our guardians/tuitors.In christ st.Thomas became our father,through the goodnews/gospel. we are here in orthodoxy not because Syriac Othodox church of antioch(universal orthodox syiran church).The faith of our church is due to early connections of Malankara church with alexandrea and persian churches in early centuries.We came in contact with antiochean Church after A.D.1653.
The indian constituition(our constituition adopted/ mainly imitated British contituition) and all developements in science and technology we have here is through the british people. that doesnot mean that we are ever indebted to Britain. we are members of common wealth countries.We speak English
.This does not mean we are british.we wear the dress of europeans .This does not mean we are Europeans.Syrian language was in india before the arrival of antiocheans as we had jewish people in Malankara before St.thomas arrived here. st.thomas preached gospel here in syriac language.
We don't want your baseless comments/untrue stories!

sampariyarathu said...

Dear Thomas, you are just Like a kid!I remember a real experianc in my child hood especially in primary class. one our class mate in primary never used to call a dog,in Malayalam as "patti" He always used to tell/write as "Koothan". the primary class teacher wen to his parents to report this and the parents told the class teacher that the grand parents never called their dog As "Patti" they used to call like "koothan" so this boy from his infancy used to call the dog as "koothan" like his grand parents.it took almost 4 years that boy to change and use the real language/correct language.
In Malayalam there is a saying"chottayile sheelam chudalavare" This what you are actually writing here. in my opinion as an indian,you should only wear "dothy",As An syrian christian You should pray Only in Syriac, you should also wear syrian attire,you should teach your kids only Syriac ! we are writing here or making comments on a particular subject.
Please go through church history or various oriental orthodx faith and teachings and try to learn. don't be like "frogs in pond"!!

bino said...

My suggestion for Catholicate Centenary: Our MOSC managing committee invite our Patiarch spiritual head(contitution 1934 and Our suprime cort judgement),for this occation. so we can resume communication and gradually solve the problems.
Anser of this quastion--Is the Patriarch remembered in their prayers?
We(MOSC) got holy icon of St.Mary from patriarcate in may 2010, this holy icon is installed in one church in south part of kerala.
Last month our one priet from kottayam seminary was attainted the syrian conference in syriya condacted by syrian orthodox church . So I think this church problems creating indian people....Think and do some thing good for every one....


I belong to MOS church, kottayam (Dst),

george said...

Yes the suggestions are very good. I would like to get reply from Fr. Punchkonam's to the following;
What is the sprituality behind
a number of priests like Fr. Punchkonam of our church have been migrated and are being migrated to US,UK and Eurpiean countries though they have pledged to work for GOD's KINGDOM Recostruction.A number of peopole in our country are yet to taste the Jesus love, sympathy, mercy,etc.Why the Preists who have taken pledge to work for Jesus Christ, to seek greenary field like ordinary people. Why Fr.Punchkonam was not included the above subject in his article ?

George Kuruvill

Varghese said...

Bino,
If you happen to visit Holy land, make sure you visit St.Mark's Chapel under the control of SOC and tell them clearly that you belong to the Indian Orthodox Church and look at the way the Bishop or any clergy or nun if present behave. The first thing in my experience is, they will say, 'that we are brothers' and we are happy that you came to see us. Next they will ask you is, 'would you not celebrating the Holy Qurbana'. In short, you will be welcomed much better than any other church of ours in Kerala.
But don't expect this from the PC Society claiming to be followers of Antiockya. I don't know whether they are referring to any other 'kya'(nut) other than Antioch!

Thomas said...

Please note that I am not against the Catholicate, but let's not be like Moses Gurgan who want to claim independence once he gets all what he wants from our Church. We are reaping the same we sowed sometime back, as we are also claiming for independence once we got the Catholicate established by the Patriarch of Antioch. All what I say is Patriarch of Antioch is our spiritual supreme head who is having authority over all the 'divisions' of Syriac Orthodox Church. But with-in the Malankara Syriac Orthodox(not Orthodox Syrian) division, the Catholicos has the authority and let Patriach does not do "micro-management". For all administrative issues Catholicos along with the Malankara Episcopal Synod's decision is the final and Patriarch just need to accept it only. For spiritual issues and blasphemy against Orthodox doctrines, faith etc, Patriach and the Syrian Orthodox Episcopal synod is the final. This is more than sufficient enough to be accomplished for the Catholicate Centenary. This leads to unity also. I hope most of the layman in the church is of this opinion only.

At present, I also belong to an MOSC Church in Kottayam District.

Thomas said...

Constraining ourselves to a Indian Church is what I believe is more apt for the saying that "Frog in the Pond." Please don't think that all others are fools and you are the best guy who is knowing everything about Orthodoxy. May be we were Syrian Christians even before 1665, but after in connection with the Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch only we embraced Orthodoxy which our church is even officially claiming. We are using the Syrian liturgy, Syrian vestments everything which we got from the Syriac Orthodox Church. So what is the point you guys are trying to prove about our own Orthodoxy. How many of us even now really know about Orthodoxy? Tell me frankly how many of us keep the pictures such as Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ and Mary Immaculate in our houses (in some of the churches too) which is against Oriental Orthodoxy as rejected in the 4th Council of Chalcedon based on Jesus' human and divine nature. How many of us really able to differentiate between an icon and a picture? Also in Orthodoxy it is prime to keep it as such the faith, doctrines and traditions from the beginning without any change. The local traditional elements like Minnu Kettu, Muthukkuda etc there existing from the beginning ever since we embraced Orthodoxy. Similarly we are still following the Syriac liturgy, Syriac language and relationship with the Patriarch of Antioch as such. Some of you guys are just like Protestants and Catholics who just want always changes in the existing setup.

Sam said...

Dear Thomas
WE are not demanding any change in the Liturgy. when you say syrian liturgy there is no seperate Syrian liturgy because of vestments/ attire.Our worship liturgy how did come to existence already explained by Fr.Punchakkonam.You may say that our prayers are from Syrian fathers.St.James is first who made/formulated Thaksa for H.Qurbana.Mar.Clemis of rome who wrote epistles on priesthood and sacrements.Mor Ivanios(golden toungue) he was Partriarch of constatinople who also formulated liturgy in Greek,Mar Aprem althogh A Syrian deacon he was great poet(harp of the holy spirit)and teacher.even catholics church recognised his work( Spiritual father of church). Mor Julius was a bishope of rome,who wrote 2 epistles and one liturgy.There were Alexandrean fathers who contributed to our faith and liturgy ..... the list goes like that.What I mean is that we recognise all Holy Fathers who contributed to stay in faith and Liturgy. I am not againt H.H. Zakka or Antioch heirarchy also respect them as Spiritual fathers. but what I said was that because of our present Liturgy we are not part of Antiochean orthodox/syrian orthodoxChurch.MOSC constituition still recognise him. It is them(antiocheans) who worked against our synod and constituition.We are Malankara orthodox church,as an independant Orthodox church In India among Oriental orthodox churches."Give respect and Earn Honour"!!this the christian principle!
St.Paul said in his epistles(philip 2:2-5)do not do anything from selfish ambition,or from a cheap desire to boast,but be humble towards on another,always cosidering others better than yourselves. the attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had.So let Them(Syriac orthodox church) consider IOC like them, then all problems will be over.
The Bible Is fore every christians like wise Orthodox Liturgy is for all orthodox churches in this universe.
Finally,forFaith, blaspemy if Aniochean Partriarch is Final authority there are many problems as Blasphemy is done by Them/Antiochean(especially L.L.H.H. Yakoob III)about St.thomas that he did n't have priest hood!!Let them correct this mistake and clear heresy!!

Sam said...

Dear Thomas
MOSC had a bishop with vision and mission(LL.H.G Paulose Mar Gregorios)Unfortunately many people did not like his idea of Renewing the orthodxy of MOSC to Indian culture.This does not mean he was against Syrian orthodox church or Partriarch. He was trying to create an IOC of Indian Culture of liturgy/worship.
All what I said was that Our attitude/gesture/mentality to be changed as we are not the generation 16th centuary as we arein millenium and in communion with all oriental orthodox Churches. we are not a division of Syrian orthodox Church of antioch. we have our own identity. This identity is to be developed with our orthodox faith and tradition. rather than continuing with The Prayers of SOC of antioch,we can have our own prayers/liturgy on "Yama prarthanakal" and also on sundays especially The third hour and 6th hour prayers both in Sleeba and Kyamtho Namaskaram. Regarding the Picture of Immaculate Mary/Sacred Heart picture of Jesus MOSC stictly restrict the use of these in houses and churches. However some people blindly follow the catholics or catholic church as many go to Muringoor/Petta for Meditation and healing!
I did not call anybody as fools or termed as frogs in Pond. what I said was when we forget about realities / when we have the good chances to know our origin and tradition,or what we were in early centuaries, we should not cover up those realities,or our origin and identity. For your information when,where our jacobite poeple were not able to tell our/their Identity/origin /traditions,to some ptotestant western guys who called them devil worshippers, with my little knowledge I was able to convince them our faith,tradition and identity.Then they really stopped embarassing /harassing the Jacobites/ SOC people.Many people now a days know the origin of christianity in India especially, the african,european and south americans. We are not constraining ourselves to be an indian church rather to be Global/universal in this millenium!

Varghese said...

This world was created by the Lord because of His love for Syriac and related Syrian traditions. I wonder what will happen to those fools who don't know anything about it. Even the Minnukettu was taught to us by one Syrian father who came from Antioch. Even the process of making children was also taught by them. So we need to be indebted to them.