The IOC/MOSC already made its Decision on Mar Goorgan Moses Sevarios vide Kalpana no#131/2010 of H H. Didimos I, which was later ratified by The Holy Synod of IOC/MOSC. Now the Jacbite Faction should not demand anything from MOSC as all problems in Malankara initially/originally created By Partriarch of Syrian Orthodox ChurchInAntioch/Syria.As they(Jacobites) claim to be Seperate identity/seperate Church under Societies Act there is no needfor anyfurther explainationfromMOSC/IOC.The IOC/MOSC is not an opposition party in any stateLegislative Assembly.
Malankara orthodox Church do not recognise Moosa Mar Severios or his consecration of new bishops for his newly created Antiochean Orthodox Church.Moosa Mar severios Was earlier ex-communicated by MOSC as Primate of Independant Syrian Orthodox Church of Europe and again his newlly formed church and covsecration of New bishops for new church are not from MOSC MOSC does not recognise these New Church or it Primate. MOSC has nothing to do with present activities of Moosa Mar Sevarios! WhenL.L. H.H Yakkob III Partriach cosecrated rebel catholicate In Malankara Church(1975)he did not consult with any synod in Malankara Church nor he got any approval from Malankara Synod. Those who Formed Their Society in 2002 has no right to question the MOSC or its heirarchy. Let them go to Pinarayi Vijayan to solve their problem!
Rinsam, The tricks that they show now are to legitimize their similar doings in the past. Now try to compare the difference between Thomas Pradhaman and Gurgon. I feel Gurgon is better. Atleast he came to someone whom he recognised as an authority. Like 1 among the 12 disciples, he went astray. Will anybody blame Jesus for Judas betraying Him. similarly there is no point in blaming Mar Athanasios and Mar Miltios for that. Now when it comes to Pradhaman, he lied to Mar Theophilos that he is going to Bangalore and went into hiding and a week later he appears with Perumbally in red gown. I can guarantee if you look into the records of Indian Customs and immigration, you will never find both these so called Bishops have ever left the country.
I just cannot understand , jesus christ ,never ever preached to hate any one , Now we proudly calls us part of ancient traditions and lineage to St Thomas , disciple of Christ. Still why we use all this forums to show our anger to jacobites .Its areality now that there is Orthodox church and Jacobite church . If our metropolitans just cannot come together and pray ,or cannot allow peace ful co existence of these two christian denomination , I feel its upto the lay men to decide ,enough is enough and get adjusted to the reality Now if Jacobite church has given a press release , ignore it and we move on ... They have more trouble with in them , let them resolve it
Be a true christian , spread love among people , not hatred ..Other wise purpose of St Thomas comming to India for spreading gospel is wasted I am 100% sure , that seeing whts happening among this malankara syrian christians , he may be repending now that he came to this land for preaching Jesus christ's words
Dear EldhoseThe issu here is Goorgan Mar Severeios/press release fro Jacobites.If you look at both sides/factions,both factions rejected Goorgan Mor Severios and his newly consecrated Bishops! Your issue about JSC Churches,You see from the old israel time onwards The Churches were either seized by some Forces or the faithful were not able to worship in their churches due to many reasons,political/war/litigation etc. If you look at the Way Of God,in such cases/situation,we have to seek the Help Of God.Here we do not seek the help of God. we totally depend on our own merits/abilities.Here we talk about rights of people and the people who sacrificed their life/wealth for building churches. By making /Constucting /building churches one cannot claim that is my Church/property to be inherited myself and my children/my future generation. We have to look at the will of God and surrender ourselves to God.When Marthomites/Malankara Rite Catholics went with propeties/churches belonging to MOSC there were no such claims at all.as Jesus said "Happy are those who have been persecuted for righteousness' sake since the Kingdom of heaven belongs to them"And "if a person wants to go to court with you and get possession of your inner garment,let your outer garment also go to him"
DEar Eldhose You said that you will accept and follow all the Bulls of Partriarch of antioch Then why your Heirarchy hid The Bull/Kalpana E30/99 dated 7th Jan1999 and not read publically? Again your Current catholicose H.B.ThomasI and Late Perumbally thirumeni accepted 1934 constituition of MOSC in court for what purpose? It is not MOSC who are the causes all troubles.It is your Church heirarchy and H.B. Thomas I.you poor guys blindly follow your leaders!! blame MOSC for everything!!Many of you do not even know the contents of Partriarch Bull of E30/99.Ask your heirarchy to publish it now!!
എന്താണ് സഹോദരങ്ങളെ ഈ എഴുതി പിടിപ്പിക്കുന്നത് ? ഗുര്ഗന്‍ തിരുമേനിയും തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമനും തമ്മില്‍ എന്താണ് വ്യത്യാസം ? ഇവര്‍ പറയുന്നു ഡല്‍ഹിയിലെ ഹോട്ടെലില്‍ വച്ച് ഉടുപ്പ് ഇട്ടു രണ്ടു മെത്രാന്‍ മാര്‍ വന്നു എന്ന്. തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമനു ഉടുപ്പ് കിട്ടിയത് എവിടുന്നാണെന്ന് ആരും മിണ്ടാത്തത് എന്താണ്. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ സീമയില്‍ നിന്നും കിട്ടിയതാണെന്നും പറഞ്ഞു ഒരു പാതിരാത്രിക്ക്‌ സ്വയം ഉണ്ടാക്കി കൊണ്ട് പോയ ചുവപ്പ് കുപ്പായവും , കറുത്ത മുടിയും , പൊക്കം കുറഞ്ഞ വടിയും പിടിച്ചുകൊണ്ടു പാണ്ടി ലോറിയില്‍ വന്നു കോതമംഗലം കവലയില്‍ ഇറങ്ങി.
Avarachen, No pandi lorry here. That is all old story. Today Mattey Association elected and requested and selected and ordained and posted Pradhaman by 'A...Chya'. You don't ask for any photos. VS will publish it.
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The IOC/MOSC already made its Decision on Mar Goorgan Moses Sevarios vide Kalpana no#131/2010 of H H. Didimos I, which was later ratified by The Holy Synod of IOC/MOSC. Now the Jacbite Faction should not demand anything from MOSC as all problems in Malankara initially/originally created By Partriarch of Syrian Orthodox ChurchInAntioch/Syria.As they(Jacobites) claim to be Seperate identity/seperate Church under Societies Act there is no needfor anyfurther explainationfromMOSC/IOC.The IOC/MOSC is not an opposition party in any stateLegislative Assembly.
Malankara orthodox Church do not recognise Moosa Mar Severios or his consecration of new bishops for his newly created Antiochean Orthodox Church.Moosa Mar severios Was earlier ex-communicated by MOSC as Primate of Independant Syrian Orthodox Church of Europe and again his newlly formed church and covsecration of New bishops for new church are not from MOSC MOSC does not recognise these New Church or it Primate.
MOSC has nothing to do with present activities of Moosa Mar Sevarios!
WhenL.L. H.H Yakkob III Partriach cosecrated rebel catholicate In Malankara Church(1975)he did not consult with any synod in Malankara Church nor he got any approval from Malankara Synod.
Those who Formed Their Society in 2002 has no right to question the MOSC or its heirarchy. Let them go to Pinarayi Vijayan to solve their problem!
Indian Orthodox Sabha nilapaddu vykthamakkanum pollum.
ezhuthum vayanayum ariyathavanmarkku athokke thonnunum.
Indian Orthodox Sabha athinte nilapaddu valarey nerathey vykathamikiyittundu. Athu Thomas Pradhamante karyathillum. Athill ninnum ottum mattum milla Gurgante & Co. yude Karyathillum.
Ithokke kandittu athu polley anukarikanallathey verey valla number undengil irakke.
Thekkan Vadakkan enna Vivechanum ettum kooduthal valarthi parruposhipicha Pithavinte nooraam pourohityathinoduppum, Eevivechanum njangalum njangalude santhathi parambarakallum nilanirthumennum oru prakyapanam koodi cherkamayirunnu.
Nannum kettavande evidoyo entho kilirthal athum avanoru thanallannu.
Ee vivechanathill enikku nazhttapettathu enta kudumbammannu. Sabhayille cherithiruvu athupolley innum njangalude kudumbathil unde. Athil oru kathanar eeyede Vishudha Thomasleehaykkitt onnu thangi. Daivamey ee jatthikku ennengillum vivaram vekkumo?
puthenkurishukarku/jacobayakarku enthuvenamemkilum parayam/ezuhtham!orthodox sabha(MOSC) avarkku marupadiyo/uttharamo nalkenda avashyamilla!
Mafia,Gundaism okke kayyilullarvarkku keralathile antiochen sabhaye enthinu Bhayappedanam!
Rinsam,
The tricks that they show now are to legitimize their similar doings in the past. Now try to compare the difference between Thomas Pradhaman and Gurgon. I feel Gurgon is better. Atleast he came to someone whom he recognised as an authority. Like 1 among the 12 disciples, he went astray. Will anybody blame Jesus for Judas betraying Him. similarly there is no point in blaming Mar Athanasios and Mar Miltios for that.
Now when it comes to Pradhaman, he lied to Mar Theophilos that he is going to Bangalore and went into hiding and a week later he appears with Perumbally in red gown. I can guarantee if you look into the records of Indian Customs and immigration, you will never find both these so called Bishops have ever left the country.
Dear friend sam
allam chaythu kootiyittu njan onnum aranjilla ramanarayana anna parambaryam ningal evidayum avarthichu.
pinne gurgan na ariyillenno?
randu kemanmar koodi sakala kanon niyamangalum kattil parathi gaurgan na methran akkiyappol avar urangukayayirunno? pinne alukaluda kannil podiyidan synod koodi a methran vazcha angeekarichathum arum arinjittilla annano karuthiyathu? pinne ethu ningaluda karyam ningal ora tharakarakumbol(refer previous history of kanjikuzhi church) ethoka adjust cheyyan sadhichekum. 2002 la bharanaghadana angeekarichu bharikapedunnu njagal patriach nda athoru kalpanayum angeekarikan njangal thayaranu.ningal athil bothered akenda karyam ella.pinne pinarayi yuda karyam chandichayan polum thirinju nokatha kanjikuzhi sabhayanallo ningaludathu annorth sahathapikkunnu kootukara.
I just cannot understand , jesus christ ,never ever preached to hate any one , Now we proudly calls us part of ancient traditions and lineage to St Thomas , disciple of Christ. Still why we use all this forums to show our anger to jacobites .Its areality now that there is Orthodox
church and Jacobite church . If our metropolitans just cannot come together and pray ,or cannot allow peace ful co existence of these two christian denomination , I feel its upto the lay men to decide ,enough is enough and get adjusted to the reality
Now if Jacobite church has given a press release , ignore it and we move on ...
They have more trouble with in them , let them resolve it
Be a true christian , spread love among people , not hatred ..Other wise purpose of St Thomas comming to India for spreading gospel is wasted
I am 100% sure , that seeing whts happening among this malankara syrian christians , he may be repending now that he came to this land for preaching Jesus christ's words
Dear Eldhose
Ellam Cheythu kootti Ennu Parayumbol,Ella cheyyichathinte Moolakaram Aranu.Evide thudangi, enthinu thudangi ennokke alochichikkanam.Ningalude Bhasha Shilyium prayogavum kondu thanne ariyam ningal araanannum enganeyullavanannum.Chandiyum,TU Kuruvilayum alla MOSC.Avarekkondalla Sabha valarnnathum,Sabha munnottu pokunnuthum.Eldhose, ningalude (Jacobites)ethenkilum forathil ningal parayunnathupole MOSC karku Ezthuvan pattumo?Athanu Njan parayunnathu Ningalkku areyum enthum,cheyyam,parayam,pravarthikkam! murathil kayari kottharuthu mone!
Ente Anathravan Oru Yakkobaya penkuttiye Vivaham cheythu(a postgraduate working in TRV). aval bharthavinte veettil vanittu 2 kollam aayi.Aval paranjathu enthanennu Kelkano Avalude Palliyil Bahayankara Antiochean Spirit anu. Orthodox karee cheetha vilikatha/parayatha oru sunday polulum illa. Avalude bharthavinte Palliyil oru spirit-um illa Ellavarum Palliyil vannu aradhanayilpankeduthu,Prarthichittu pokunnu. Ivide church rashtreeyam illa ennanu.
Adyam Makanea,Eldhose! Ningallude Bava (antioch) Areyanu Bhayappedunnathu? Enthinu? Oriental Orthodox Churches ninnum MOSC- ye purathakkan Sakka thirumeni sramichittu Enthayi?
Ithinokke Enthinu Marupadi kodukkanam !! . Naale Puthencurisu Chitti Co. 1934 bharanaghatana upeksghichu 2002 le "THATTIKOOTU" bharanaghatana (ie, Eppol venamenkilum Kodathiyil ninnum TATTU Kittan Sadhyatha Ulla ) angeekarikkan avasyapettal athinu marupadi kodukkano ?? IGNONRE IT .
Malankara sabhaye Binnippikkan C.M.Thomas nu pattam koduthathrayum mosam allalo ithu. Oru Athmeeya nethavu akan adhehathinu ulla Quality enthayirunnu ??? Naale Ee Thomas I Anthyokhaye anusarikkum Ennathinu enthabu Urappu, Especially adhehathinte poorva charithram vechu nokkumpol . Ippol Gathi kettu Anthyokhaya bhakthi kanikkunnu enneyullu !! Athinanau Veetham vechu piriyam enuu parnaju karayunnathu. Ulla veetham kitti kazhinjal , Anneram Anthyokhayodu poyi pani nokkan parayamallo ??
DEAR SAM
thakal paranjathu oru paridhi vare shariyayirikam .jsc pally kail mathrama prashnangal ullu.karanem athundakiyavane athinda vila ariyu.athu nilanirthan avan marenam vare poradum.pooti kidakunna pallikalile oru pothuyogam vilichittu athil 51 percentage alukal ioc il anekil venda 25 percentage undenkil yathoru upadhiyum koodathe avida ninnu erangi pokan njangal thayyaranu. jeevithathinda oru nalla portion pally panikayi neeki vachavar anu njangaluda edavakayila chettanmar ningal ioc members nalla nalla course um job um ayittu jeevichappol athellam vendannu vachu swantham edavakayku vandi jeevitham matti vachavar anu njangaluda chettai mar.a pally kal nilanirthan avasana shwasam vare avar nila kollum.athinu shesham athu nilanirthendathu njangaluda chumathalayanu.athu njangal cheyyum.oru edavakaya valarthunnathu a edavakayil members anu.athu kondanu 2002 la bharanaghadanayil edavaka pally kalila theerumanam adukan avarku thanne avakasham koduthirikunnathu.njangaluda bava yku edavaka pallikalilum edavaka pallikalku bavayilum antioch patriarch lum ulla vishwasam anu athu kanikunnathu. ningaluda bharanaghadana yil engana oru point ulpeduthan ningaluda synod nu sadhikumo.
undavilla karanem catholica yum methrapolitha marum alukalum 100000 vazhi ku pokum.pinne karthavu thanda shishyan marayi thiranjeduthathu
doctorate ullavare allalo?
varum meen piduthakare alle.athukodu yogyatha yuda karyam onnu parayenda.
pinne ioc yuda 100 anuversary ku
ashamsakal.
Dear EldhoseThe issu here is Goorgan Mar Severeios/press release fro Jacobites.If you look at both sides/factions,both factions rejected Goorgan Mor Severios and his newly consecrated Bishops!
Your issue about JSC Churches,You see from the old israel time onwards The Churches were either seized by some Forces or the faithful were not able to worship in their churches due to many reasons,political/war/litigation etc.
If you look at the Way Of God,in such cases/situation,we have to seek the Help Of God.Here we do not seek the help of God. we totally depend on our own merits/abilities.Here we talk about rights of people and the people who sacrificed their life/wealth for building churches.
By making /Constucting /building churches one cannot claim that is my Church/property to be inherited myself and my children/my future generation. We have to look at the will of God and surrender ourselves to God.When Marthomites/Malankara Rite Catholics went with propeties/churches belonging to MOSC there were no such claims at all.as Jesus said "Happy are those who have been persecuted for righteousness' sake since the Kingdom of heaven belongs to them"And "if a person wants to go to court with you and get possession of your inner garment,let your outer garment also go to him"
DEar Eldhose
You said that you will accept and follow all the Bulls of Partriarch of antioch Then why your Heirarchy hid The Bull/Kalpana E30/99 dated 7th Jan1999 and not read publically? Again your Current catholicose H.B.ThomasI and Late Perumbally thirumeni accepted 1934 constituition of MOSC in court for what purpose? It is not MOSC who are the causes all troubles.It is your Church heirarchy and H.B. Thomas I.you poor guys blindly follow your leaders!! blame MOSC for everything!!Many of you do not even know the contents of Partriarch Bull of E30/99.Ask your heirarchy to publish it now!!
എന്താണ് സഹോദരങ്ങളെ ഈ എഴുതി പിടിപ്പിക്കുന്നത് ? ഗുര്ഗന്‍ തിരുമേനിയും തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമനും തമ്മില്‍ എന്താണ് വ്യത്യാസം ? ഇവര്‍ പറയുന്നു ഡല്‍ഹിയിലെ ഹോട്ടെലില്‍ വച്ച് ഉടുപ്പ് ഇട്ടു രണ്ടു മെത്രാന്‍ മാര്‍ വന്നു എന്ന്.
തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമനു ഉടുപ്പ് കിട്ടിയത് എവിടുന്നാണെന്ന് ആരും മിണ്ടാത്തത് എന്താണ്.
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സീമയില്‍ നിന്നും കിട്ടിയതാണെന്നും പറഞ്ഞു ഒരു പാതിരാത്രിക്ക്‌ സ്വയം ഉണ്ടാക്കി കൊണ്ട് പോയ ചുവപ്പ് കുപ്പായവും , കറുത്ത മുടിയും , പൊക്കം കുറഞ്ഞ വടിയും പിടിച്ചുകൊണ്ടു പാണ്ടി ലോറിയില്‍ വന്നു കോതമംഗലം കവലയില്‍ ഇറങ്ങി.
Avarachen,
No pandi lorry here.
That is all old story. Today Mattey Association elected and requested and selected and ordained and posted Pradhaman by 'A...Chya'. You don't ask for any photos. VS will publish it.
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