പരിശുദ്ധ പരുമല തിരുമേനിയെ ചാത്തുരുത്തി തിരുമേനി എന്ന് വിളിക്കുന്നവര്‍ പരുമലയില്‍ എന്തിനു പള്ളി വയ്ക്കുന്നു. മുലംതുരുത്തിയിലെ (Mulamthuruthy) കാശ് വാരാനുള്ള ശ്രമം പരാജയപ്പെട്ടത് കൊണ്ട് പരുമലയില്‍ ഒരു കൈ നോക്കമെന്നോ?
Parumala and Puthenkurisu Society by Rinu വെട്ടിയാര്‍
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Antiochian patriarch cannot own an inch of property in India. May be in USA anybody can own property, but in Indian tere are laws which restrict that.
first let antochina Patriarch maintain his own laity and propety in his own land, then think about adminstering property in India. Avide pattattha pani evide venda.
malankarayude ella kalahatthinum kaaranam ee antioch bandam aanu. Ennu ithu avassanippikumo anne namukku oru janathayayi ivide samadhanamaayi jeevikkan kazhiiyoo. We should start a movement to severe our unnecessary relationship with Apatriarch of Arabia.
Jeevan
I am sure that the person who write with name BABU, USA is definitely a Puthenkurissu man masquerading as Orthodox
Eldhose
Kaasu petti nokkiyirunnu bahranam natatthunna oru MAHAAN undallo nigalkku --- one man synod.
Nammude ee kaliyellma kandu Angu arabi nattil chirikkunna oru koottar undu. DIVIDE and RULE, Divide and earn money, athaanu avaude margam. kaaranam avide innu aarum illa. Sukhamaayi vazhanamenkil invide ninnum panam kondu kodukkanama
RESPONSIBILITY IS THE PRICE OF GREATNESS, sai dWinston Churchill
My question to jacobites: W
HAT HAS THE PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH DONE TO KEEP PEACE IN INDIA?
WHAT HAS HE DONE FOE EVANGELISATION OF INDIA?
WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR ORTHODOX FAITH IN INDIA?
THEY JUST LIVED AND IS LIVING ON OUR MONEY.
Who is following PINRAYI, Achutanandan? Who i sfollowing Karl Marx? Antioch Patriarch will tell you
Dear All
Chanakya Thandhram! Real Chankya Thandhram By H.B.Thomas I,that is going on Parumala!
The Jacobite's propsed New Church In Parumala is not in honour of St.Gregorios!They, Jacobites alredy have their Hidden Agenda over the Construction! If H.B.Thomas I is a real Christian/peace maker he could have avoided such plan! This is another open war by Jacobites!
Beware! Pray to Almighty God!
Ebenezer
All the recent 'Chaynakya Thathrams' of Thomas Thirumeni have failed to take off.
See how tragic was his planned 'largest ever gathering' of Jacobits in Alway on August 8 2010. You should read his Kalpana and the news reports before and after the events.
His plans for Thrikkunnathu seminary have not worked. He had thought that he could have reigned in seminary before the LDF finished its term. Now see our Angamali metropolitan is residing there.
I thik he had been dreaming making a successor and assume even a bigger leadership role. But that has not been reased. He knows well that that would not be an easy job.
This is the fate of all autocrats.
I am sure parumala will be the last game.
@Saju
You said "It is very sad for MOSC faithful to see their leadership always jumps in to foolish acts one by one. Earlier it was bishop Gurgan ordination and now it is the proposed Jacobite church at Parumala issue."
Saju, It your Antochian leadership who i skeping this Church divided. NOW See their fate. they are sinking deeper and deeper into the Arabian sea. But HH patriarch is carrying a book called DAS CAPITAL.
We are figting for a casue - FREEDOM OF CHURCH IN INDIA and for our children. You are supporting SLAVERY, bondage. You are in chains, chained by Arabs
Dear Niho & Issac,
Let me clear one thing. I am a strong supportor of Orthodox Church.
The intention behind the Jaicobite church to be seen in three (evil) angles -
1.There are hindus who receive blessings by intercessions of or beloved thirumini. Unknowingly they may come to the "Duplicate Parumala" and that small revenues can be collected. Luke Judas, thier eye is on the money. Not for worship. But need a centre there.
2. Most of thier Bishops got the position by giving "Money" to their Antiocian Bava.Similarly they knows to bribe the crook Politicians too. So these crooks know how to make chaos and to convert this holy land as "Land of War".
3. They are looking a chance to demoralise and degrade us in the society by making such chaos and unrest. Their main intention is to spoil our Perunal so that the believers may not come their due to unrest and chaos. (Some body has stated that Perunal can be celeberated in different dates??. That person does't know even the meaning of Perunal and on which day it has to be conducted).
What me meant by a Church? Physically built one? No? David was not allowed by Almighty God to build the Jerusalem Temple. Do you think that the Holy Almighty will desire it and our Parumala Thirumeni will intercede for us to sent wrath among these Blood Shedders. Consider it as their Day dream.
I regret if any of my Orthodox friends misunderstood about my postings as a supporting one for building such Mimic Chruch by the Trouble makers. It is their evil not allows their conscious to check Am I doing the will of God? Am I making un peace in the society by my deeds and not keeping in harmony with my brothers?
Varghese Mathai
Member St.Gregorios Orthodx Chruch,Sharjah.
Dear Mr. Saju,
Of course it is better to hear you. But for a Cristian's better not to look upon what you does. We always remeber while listening such sermons, what Jesus has taught us about "Pareeshanmar & Sadukianmar" Dont emitate what they does.
To build a Church in the patronage of Parumala Thirumeni you dont have any other place other than Parumala only? Come and see and even ask your brothers of Jacobite Church in Sharjah that how many gentiles,Protestants, Jaicobites has witnessed our Lord due to thirumeni's intercession. We have named it as "Marubhoomiyile Puramala"
But Jaicobites deeds are to make "Mlechatha in Vishudha Sthalam". That is why they are after Parumala Land. Mr.Issac is right: their intension is to make a wrong evidence that Parumala too belongs to Jaicobites. This tricks will not work any more. Some of our earlier fathers did not identified those those Antiocian wolfs and fell in their tricks. Now they learnt what Jesus has taught "should have mind like a dove and sense..."
An humble request, it is too late, ask your leaders and your church for harmony and peace. Look on undeveloped places those dont have even a shed to worship and let that places be blessed and others enjoys the blessing. Whay Only the Parumala. The whole places where ever his footsteps has touched is blessed land. Hence, the place is vast. The filed is too much, but it need an eye to see it. Judas eye was on money and you know what was his end. Almighty have given him so much opportunity to repent
Varghese Mathai
Member SGOC Sharjah.
Dear IOC members,
I don't know what is wrong when we construct a jacobite church in Parumala,Why did we need your permission to construct a church in Parumala in our own land.Do we need a permission from neighbour to build a house in our own land.Do we need to convince the neighbour that how many people are going to stay in new home.If it is needed that is quite wonderful.Why IOC people are worried about the law and order,you are not supposed teach law and order,you are supposed to observe law and order.This is a democratic society,not a gundaraj,so govt will keep the law and order not you people.You IOC people have no right to say you will obstruct the construction especialy of a church.If you are so much worried about the law and order why did you construct Catholicate centres in Kothamangalam,Angamaly,vengoor etc near to the mother church it self. Before you were not allwing our priest to enter your church but now you welcome them only to prevent the construction of a new church.I know you are afraid of the money leak in future from your'Bhandaram'.Second thing you are seeing with fear is the move of the unsatisfied faction within IOC to Jacobite church.We know obviously that you are not intended to keep law and order rather than conquer every thing under your 1934
If you wish to establish peace why did you try to enter into Manarcadu church years back,Why are you trying to create problems in Kothamangalam church and Piravam church.But we will move only in peace as per advice of our Catholica Bava.We can claim for the Parumala seminary church as it is owned by Patriarchate of Antioch as per records , but we won't do that.Not only in Parumala but most of the old churches possessed by IOC is owned by Patriarchate of Antioch in records ,But we are ready to give up all these property for the peace.But you have no right to say we cannot construct a church in Parumala in our own land .You have time to rethink.Don't be ashamed before other community by preventing the construction of church in Memory of Our Saint Gregoriose .God bless
Hello Mr Reni you are telling ,church has no right to change constitution ,You shuld know some thing about church .It is ruled in a democratic way(jacobite church not IOC)so the pothuyogam or prathipurushayogam have the right to change the constitution.If it is not where is democracy.You told how old church can accept 2002 constitution .I will ask you one question,How a church of more than 1000 years old can accept your 1934 constitution ,which is only less than 75 years old.
I think Holy Spirit is speaking through Mr.Jose Kurian. When the Church leadership is in favor of unending war with the sister church, it is the duty of god-fearing and peace-loving faithfuls to say aloud - THIS IS THE RIGHT PATH. I know that Mr. Jose Kurian is well aware of the amount anger going to be targeted towards him from his own community because of his writing. But when one person is enlightened and emboldened by holy spirit, anything comes against is nothing for him. We all wish if we could hear directly from God on Parumala Palli construction issue. May be we are hearing the words of God through peace loving people like Jose Kurian. May God bless him more.
Dear All, I have read the commemts/opinion of Jose Kurien Puliyeril.I don't think his suggestions /ideas are going to work out as we Know the Nature/crookedness of PC society leadership and its followers/supporters.There is no way Orthodox church should allow this new Church construction at Parumala by Jacobites!Dear Jose Puliyeril,you can tell Jacobite Bishop of Niranam (mar Coorilose)not to Divide St.Gregorios of Parumala!All Jacobites can go to present Parumala (MOSC)church for the blessings of St.Gregorios!Iam not agaist peace or unity!But puliyeril's suggestion will not work out!
Dear Saju
When the Samaritan did not Prepare for Jesus on his way to Jerusalem(in hospitality of Samaritans, luke9:51-56)Jesus went to Jerusalem by another village.Just like that if Jacobites are true Christians there is no need for them to build a new church just opposite and near the present Parumala Church!They can build A new Church outside Parumala!
It is better not to offend any one!
We know the attitude of Jacobites Heirarchy,the intention behind a new church construction at Parumala!
I have read another comment in this blog That IOC are not keeping the law and order!can this Guy who made it, point out the instances whereby the law and order was not followed?Who voilatecd the court orders?Who violated the IOC constituition?Who created the Supremacy in the name throne on earth that was not biblical? Who created Division in Church?
all those jacobites who support the construction of the church, 1. For whom are u making the church?2. Why did ur bishop lie tat,their are 30 jacobite families in parumala?3.what is the guarantee that u dont bring fanatics from north? 4. What is the guarantee that ur pppl dont shout anti ioc slogans during parumala perunal? We are not against anyone building any church....but we know ur ulterior motives....IF ANYTHING BAD HAPPENS , AND IF THE NAME OF PARUMALA THIRUMENI IS SPOILED IN FRONT OTHER RELIGIONS,REMEMBER IT IS SOLELY THE RESPONSIBILTY OF THE PPL WHO SUPPORT REBEL CHURCH..... Think whether u want to spoil thirumenis name or build a church for noone....
all those jacobites who support the construction of the church, 1. For whom are u making the church?2. Why did ur bishop lie tat,their are 30 jacobite families in parumala?3.what is the guarantee that u dont bring fanatics from north? 4. What is the guarantee that ur pppl dont shout anti ioc slogans during parumala perunal? We are not against anyone building any church....but we know ur ulterior motives....IF ANYTHING BAD HAPPENS , AND IF THE NAME OF PARUMALA THIRUMENI IS SPOILED IN FRONT OTHER RELIGIONS,REMEMBER IT IS SOLELY THE RESPONSIBILTY OF THE PPL WHO SUPPORT REBEL CHURCH..... Think whether u want to spoil thirumenis name or build a church for noone....
i see tat many jacobites are saying, that they are not interested in filing suit against parumala seminary, even when they have the deeds in there favour.... For ur understanding.... Ur ppl have alread filed all kinds of cases against ioc from 1912 - 1950's and miserably lost alll.....tats y we have the posessions of ALL CHURCHES...TAT IS NOT ANYONES SYMPATHY....cases where filed for all major churches, pazhaya seminary etc.... Baselios pradhaman bavayude car japthi cheyyan vare.....
Once again, none of the jacobites willl ever guarantee that they will parade peacefully to parumala....when we have no guarantee oof such from their leadership...we shud never allow them to construct a church.... Should we allow a church, we are transferring another burden to the next generation....
saju said, ''the amount of hate targetted towards jose kurien....''
who said we are angered at what he said, IS THEIR ONE SOUL IN YOUR CHURCH, WHO CAN SAY, LETS NOT HAVE A CHURCH, LETS HAVE PEACE....
Anyone?????? please????? At first my thought also was , let them have a churh.... Whats the problem... Then i suddenly remembered what my old patriarch frind told me in during my college days....in his church (border of palakkad and thrissur)) the patriach factions stands turing their back..when the ioc priest conducts qurbana....
Daivathinne puram kanchichu nilkunnavan , parumalayil varumbol angu vishuddanakum.....
Saju, i am not using the word...holy spirit.... Please know where to use such wordss.... And for what....
some raised a point about catholicate centres.... They are build, because we have minorities who have no place to go.... Unlike the proposed jacobite church for noone....
IF ANOTHER MALANKARA VARGHESE OR ANNNA PAPPY OR THE MULANTHURUTHY PRIEST, TYPE OF MURDER HAPPENS IN PARUMALA, THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY and THE CURSE OF IT WILL LIE ON THE PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO SUPPORT THE NEW CHURCH.
DearAll
Jesus himself said to his disciples"things that cause to people to sin are bound to come,but woe to that person through they come".......so watch yourselves"!This exactly I would like to remind everybody about the construction of new Church in the name of St.Gregorios at Parumala by now the other faction! This new Church construction plan is not honouring the departed saint,or not getting blessings through his intercession!Game!New Game!By Jacobites!This purely a matter of politricking church issues By H.B.Thomas I and his group and try to get support from the LDF for selfish interest/goal and achievements!.People sin through,lust of eyes,what peole see and want,everything in this world that people are of so proud,sinful self desires,are not from God!The Present church construction is not necessary at Parumala!This provoking other people,community residing there long ago to react!
It is Just like destroying neighbours crop by planting destruction seeds next to the neighbours field!
Moreover I came to know that the Staff(amshavadi)of late saint was removed from Parumala by late bishop Clemis through deceit!
Dear Jose Kurian Puliyeril,
Thanks for your write up on the topic "we are the salt..."
Yes this is what I exactly meant in the last paragraph of my earlier posting.
Quote; My earlier posting:-
"But, if we are determined, then let us first follow Jesus teaching proving our worth. I call upon our beloved Geevarghese Kuriloos Thirumeni to set an example and make the first move to convince our Church leadership to let us first set an example and gift to the Indian Orthodox people a plot of land opposite our St. Mary’s Church in Manarcaud, so they can build a Church for themselves or even gift to the IOC the small Church by itself that is opposite to the big Church in Manarcaud. Are we generous enough to do that and then start moving to build our church at Parumala? I’m sure our friends in IOC would help us right away and even gift us with a “relic” of the Saint to be honored in our new Church".
Unquote: Since it was our beloved Geevarghese Mor Kuriloos Thirumeni who initiated the first move to build our Church at Parumala, we call upon Thirumeni to be the "Salt” and set an example by initiating the FIRST MOVE by gifting to the Indian Orthodox people a plot of land opposite our St. Mary’s Church in Manarcaud, so they can build a Church for themselves or even gift to the IOC the small Church by itself that is opposite to the big Church in Manarcaud. By, this move it’s very certain they would follow suite and help us to build a Church in Parumala.
"If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee".
As Jose Kurian rightly said, let the Churches of each faction in the close proximity of each other be a bridge leading to unity. Wouldn’t it be pleasing to have Churches close by each other at Manarcaud and at Parumala, which are both our main Pilgrim centers, as we already have at Puthupally which again is a main pilgrim centre for both our peoples.
And who knows our beloved Geevarghese Mor Kuriloos Thirumeni may be the peace messenger and the “Salt” entrusted with the task of neutralizing the “Sourness” of the factions that would ultimately end the century old dispute, by first extending the olive branch from our side at Manarcaud building the bridge to unity.
Thanks to all of you.
God, we pray, Bless us all.
Isaac Joseph.K.
In 1975 the Holy Synod excommunicated Mapheryonno Eugene and his followers and Mor Basilios Paul 2nd was elected the new Mapheryono. In 2002 Mor Baselios Thomas 1st was elected and ordained by His Holiness Mor Ignatius Zakka 1st Iwas as the Mapheryono of India with jurisdiction over India only, while Syriac Indians living abroad in the Gulf or Europe or America report to His Holiness the patriarch.
His Holiness mentioned items to be added to the church constitution by identifying the names of those eligible to elect the patriarch from His Beatitude the Mapheryono and the Holy See churches in India (Simhasana Churches), and the Canaanite Archdiocese and Syriac Orthodox organizations and the Malankara Syriac Orthodox Archdiocese in North America.
All please read the above , since the churches outside india is directly under Antiocia, they may need more money for masterminding the way to fight with IOC. so they are doing all these. Even nothing will happen if they built a church in Parumala. But there will be 100% chance for problems during Parumala Perunal no doubt. If they were intented for peace they could have construct the church in Mannar side or even one or more KM away from present Parumala church. Our leaders should convince this matter to the administration properly.
Georgy claim on asianet news hour and fact.
http://www.malankaraorthodox.tv/news%202010/perunnal2010/index.html
See.......... the big crowd at kothamangalam as per Orthodox sabha secrectary geroge joseph claimed for perunnal of st basil at cathoicate centre (St Basil Chruch) more than 50 % of members????????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... .
IOC built the church in name of St basil, where jacobites have so many institutions in the name of st basil. If IOC find it the name will effect in parumalas other institutuions whether it wont effect JSOC institutions.... We have think vice versa. So who is playing in this IOC or JSOC
IOC can built church with 5 members at kothamangalam...y Jacobites cant buil't chruch at parumala with either 30 family or 30 members or 3 memebers as they claim......If IOC can accept the name St Basil at kothamangalam, y JSOC cant.
It just for thinking.
With prayers.
Vinup
Dear Vinoop
Can H.B.Thomas I and you provide 30families of Jacobite residing in Parumala ,the length of residentialstay,their family back ground etc?Like Political parties you are making statements and may import 30 families plant there in Parumala!We know your Jealous and Greed are making this unnecessary and unwanted church creation in Paumala to destroy the peace prevailing there!
Mr. Puliyeril's comment about the proposed Patriarch Church at Parumala was unfortuante and while holding prominent Church positions in Devalokam he should not have made such a comment in public opposing the general position taken by H.H The Catholicos and the Church as a whole.
Dear Noby
Thanks for your courtesy and generosity! !The Churches in Malankara are not property of Antioch Partriarchs or their land!The Property belongs to Malankara people!During British regime in India many forigners have right to own property and land in India !None of Antioch Partriarch came here spread gospel or spread Christianity in India!How come they are owners of parish Churches in India/kerala?Don't try to fool others!
In Old testament Jacob,the father of 12tribes of Israel was cunning man!This exactly the Present Jacobites in India are following!They are not following Either Jesus Christ or Jacob Baradaus(yakkoob burdhana)!What democracy you are preaching? for what?First of all become a true Christian and show others that you belong to "Sthuthi Chovvakkappetta Suriani Sabha"!otherwise remain as 'Sthuthi chavitty methicha Suriani sabha'or follwers of the Cunning Jacob brother of Esavu!
Those who condemn others invite condemnation upon themselves.
- In IndianOrthodox@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Mathew, Delhi wrote:
> In Mannar there is a *(political party)leader, a member of Orthodox Church, who hardly attends church services. He has two sons, who were active in the church activities. The elder one wanted to join the seminary to become a priest.
Dear All,
The Church fight has finally reached at our door. I knew it is going to happen one day ; but I never knew it will happen so soon.
Mr. Thomas Mathew’s post should give us some insight in to the mistakes we do in making a situation from bad to worst. I have a class mate of mine who’s father was a very active * ( political party) leader and an atheist. Currently my classmate is a well respected and prominent Priest in our Church.
Many of our Bishops openly support that political party. Still we think that being a member of that party or having a stream of thought matching with that political party is a good reason for condemning, humiliating and rejecting Priesthood to a person.
Secondly, the death of the ABVP student - There are secular courts in India to decide who is guilty and who is not. We should not be condemning a person based on rumors. When the prostitute woman was brought in front of Jesus, Jesus asked "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" . "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared.”
I wrote this neither to justify the deacon who is instrumental in bringing this dispute to our door, nor to blame the system which rejected the seemingly genuine intent of this person to become a Priest.
But, to say that this is a pattern we see in the growth of the Patriarchal faction. We need to sit and think where we went wrong instead of fighting this issue on the streets of Parumala and elsewhere.
We must stop condemning our own people. We must stop humiliating them. The best example is the humiliation and condemnation faced by Rev. Fr. Dr. M.O.John . I am not a fan of this Achen. But, the condemnation and humiliation he faced from his own brotheren is known to all. I do not blame him if he jump the ship. All who left our Church will have a similar story to say.
The whole Patriarchal faction is born out of hate and condemnation and growing in hate and condemnation and it is finally coming to our door to haunt us.
Coming back to the story of the current Deacon who is involved in building a Church for them in Parumala, I think we still have some recourse to talk to him and apologize to him for our mistake and pay him 10 lacks more than what he paid to the property and make him a Priest or a Bishop in our Church . From what Mr. Thomas Mathew wrote he and his brother were very active in Church and wanted to lead a Godly life. But, we condemned them as a party folks and rejected them. My classmate whose story I mentioned was in a similar situation. But, the Church did not condemn him or reject him for his father being an atheist.
I hope and pray that the Parumala incidents will open the eyes of our leaders and help them find the damage they did by creating a bunch of hateful people around us.
If some one come to you with an intention to become the Lord’s servant in whatever position, help him to get to that position instead of condemning him and trying to eliminate him based on rumors. How good is our prayer life to condemn another person saying his prayer life is not good to become a Bishop. Judgment and condemnation does not belong to us . It belongs to the Lord. There was one person gone bad in the group of 12 Jesus selected too. Jesus knew that satan was going to enter in to Judas; but still Jesus gave Judas his body and blood. Jesus did not condemn Judas, but Judas invited condemnation upon himself. Those who condemn others invite condemnation upon themselves.
Rgds
Ronnie Daniel
Toronto, Canada
The article by Mr Jose Puliyeril is really useful, but let us not assimilate it in the "Parumala" angle. Even otherwise, Mr Jose highlights certain spiritual traits one should cultivate and nurture within ourselves for one's overall growth. That line of approach needs to be appreciated. Now, regarding the Parumala episode, shouldn't we follow the way shown by our Lord? Why should we keep a false prestige and find fault with every situation? By showing our muscle strength, are we pleasing our Lord? We must try to grab heaven sent opportunities for bringing unity in the Church and end up in a single Orthodox Church in Malankara. Be positive always and follow the Lord's way.
### George Joseph ###
My dear Noby,
let me ask another question. India has been in existice since time immemorial. We were ruled by many many people from inside and ouside. We became a free nation with a democratic govt in 1947. India got its constitution in 1956Can you see it brother?
All the Indian states which were pre-existing joined teh Indian Union and gotits constittion much later. NOW THEY CANNOT SEPARATE. Ok?
It is just like that. Churches musthave existed long back. Our cosntitutio was accepted only in 1934. I think I made it clear. Thank you Noby fro raising this question.
പരുമലയില്‍ മഹാ പരിശുദ്ധനായ ചാത്തുരുത്തില്‍ മാര്‍ ഗ്രീഗോറിയോസ് തിരുമേനിയുടെ നാമത്തില്‍ ഒരു ദൈവാലയം പണിയുക എന്നുള്ളത് ഏതൊരു യാക്കോബായക്കാരന്റെയും ദീര്‍ഘനാളത്തെ സ്വപ്നമാണ്. പരിശുദ്ധ പത്രോസ് പാത്രിയര്‍ക്കീസ് ബാവായുടെ സെക്രട്ടറിയായി ദീര്‍ഘനാള്‍ പ്രവര്‍ത്തിച്ച തന്റെ പ്രിയ ശിഷ്യനെ പരിശുദ്ധത്മ നടത്തിപ്പ് വഴിയായി മേല്പ്പട്ട സ്ഥാനത്തെക്കുയര്‍ത്തന്‍ പരിശുദ്ധ ബാവ തീരുമാനിച്ചത് സഭയുടെ ചരിത്ര വഴിയിലെ ദൈവനിയോഗം.
പരിശുദ്ധ പരുമലതിരുമെനിയുടെ പാത്രിയര്‍ക്കാ വിശ്വാസം മനസിലാക്കാന് അദ്ദേഹത്തിന്റെ 'ശല്‍മൂസയും' ജെറുസലേം യാത്രാ വിവരണവും, വില്‍പത്രവും മാത്രം വായിച്ചു നോക്കിയാല് മതിയാവുന്നതാണ്. വേദ വിപരീതികളുടെ ആക്രമണങ്ങളില് സഭ നൌക ആടിയുലഞ്ഞപ്പോള്
പരി.പാത്രിയര്‍ക്കീസ് ബാവ മലങ്കരയിലേക്ക് എഴുന്നുള്ളുകയും ഏഴു ഭദ്രാസനങ്ങള് സ്ഥാപിക്കുകയും,ഓരോ ഭദ്രാസനത്തിനും മെത്രാപ്പോലിത്തമാരെ വാഴിക്കുകയും ചെയ്തത് സഭാ ചരിത്രത്തിലെ ഒരു വഴിത്തിരിവായി മാറി. പരി.സഭയിലെ നിരണം ഭദ്രാസനത്തിലെ പ്രഥമ മെത്രാപ്പോലിത്തയായി വാഴിക്കപ്പെട്ട " കൊച്ചിതിരുമേനി "തന്റെ ജീവിതകാലം വരെയും പരിശുദ്ധ സിംഹാസനത്തോടുള്ള വിധേയത്വം തള്ളി പറഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല. വട്ടശ്ശേരില് ദിവന്നസിയോസിന്‍റെ നേതൃത്വത്തില് സ്വതന്ത്രവാദം സഭയില് ആളിക്കത്തുകയും "തെക്കന്" ഭദ്രസനങ്ങളില് പലരും ആ വാദത്തെ പിന്തുണക്കുകയും ചെയ്തപ്പോള് പരിശുദ്ധ പരുമല തിരുമേനിയുടെ കബറിടം സ്ഥിതി ചെയ്യുന്ന പരുമല പള്ളിയും സെമിനാരിയും മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികളുടെ കയ്യിലെത്തി.
കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ നിരണത്ത് മാര്‍ത്തോമാ ശ്ലീഹായുടെ നാമത്തിലുള്ള ദൈവാലയം പണിതപ്പോള് ഈ താല്‍പ്പര കക്ഷികള് അതിനെതിരെയും മുറവിളി കൂട്ടിയതാണ്. മലങ്കര കത്തോലിക്കാ സഭയുടെ ആര്‍ച്ച് ബിഷപ്പ് "കാതോലിക്ക" എന്നാ സ്ഥാനപേര് ഉപയോഗിക്കുന്നതിനെതിരെ മാര്‍പ്പാപ്പയ്ക്ക് കത്തയച്ചു ഇളിഭ്യരായ സംഭവം ക്രൈസ്തവ ലോകം മറക്കാന് വഴിയില്ല. മഞ്ഞനിക്കരയിലേക്ക് തീര്‍ത്ഥയാത്രയായി പോകുന്നവരിലെറയും പരുമല, പുതുപ്പിള്ളി, നിരണം പള്ളികള്‍ സന്ദര്‍ശിച്ചു പ്രാര്‍ഥിച്ചാണ് മടങ്ങുന്നത്. പുതുപ്പള്ളിയിലെ പഴയ പള്ളിക്ക് തൊട്ടടുത്തായി യാക്കോബായ സഭ പുതിയ ദൈവാലയം പണിതു ആരാധന നടത്തിവരുകയും, പെരുന്നാള് ദിവസം പ്രദക്ഷിണം നടത്തുകയും ചെയ്തിട്ടും നാളിതുവരെ എന്തെങ്കിലും ക്രമസമാധാന പ്രശ്നം ഉണ്ടായതായി അറിവില്ല. പിറവം, കോതമംഗലം,മുളന്തുരുത്തി എന്നിവടങ്ങളില് യാക്കോബായ പള്ളികളോട് ചേര്ന്ന് "മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികള് " പള്ളി പണിതിട്ട് യാക്കോബായ സഭ എതിര്ത്തില്ല.എന്തിനേറെ ഒരു മെത്രാന് കക്ഷിക്കാരന് പോലും ഇല്ലാത്ത മീമ്പാറയില് കണ്ടനാട് ഭദ്രാസനത്തിന്റെ ആസ്ഥാനം പണിയുന്നതിനെയും യാക്കോബായ സഭ എതിര്ത്തില്ല.
1902 ല് കാലം ചെയ്ത പരി തിരുമേനി അതിനു ശേഷം ഉണ്ടായ മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികളെ ഒരുകാലത്തും അറിഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല എന്ന കാര്യം എന്നാണു മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികള് മനസിലാക്കുന്നത്. ഒരു ആരാധനാലയത്തിന്റെ അടുത്തു വേറൊരു ആരാധനാലയം പണിയാന് ഇന്ത്യന് ഭരണഘടന പ്രകാരം തടസമില്ലന്നിരിക്കെ വെറും നിരര്ത്ഥകമായ കാരണങ്ങള് ചൂണ്ടിക്കാട്ടി മനപൂര്വ്വം പ്രശ്നങ്ങള് സൃഷ്ട്ടിക്കുന്ന മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികളുടെ കുതന്ത്രങ്ങള് തുറന്നു കാട്ടുന്നതിനായി ഒരു സംവാദം ഇവിടെ തുടങ്ങുകയാണ്. ഇത് തികച്ചും ഞങ്ങളുടെ വിശ്വാസത്തിന്റെ കാര്യമാണ് ......വഴിമുടക്കികളാവാന്‍ ശ്രമിക്കാതെ ക്രിസ്തീയ വിശ്വാസങ്ങള്‍ ഉയര്‍ത്തി പിടിച്ചു മുന്നോട്ടു പോകണമെന്ന് മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികളോട് താഴ്മയായി അപേക്ഷിക്കുന്നു.
Reji P varghese
Secretary
JacobiteSyrian Youth Association
Kandanad Diocese.
http://jscyakandanad.blogspot.com/
Parumala is a small village and almost all people in parumala knows each other and they are living in peace and harmony.
Almost all people will invite and attend each other’s family functions. One can move around in parumala even at midnight also without fear. This is the actual culture of parumala. Recently some outsiders purchased land there and built their houses. There were 4 orthodox church (including parumalapally) in parumala. We are nearly 500-600 strong orthodox families in parumala itself. I and my family is staying in parumala since last 100 years, and I am sure, I can't find a single original parumala resident in jacobite membership.
Since this is the actual situation in parumala, why they need a church there?. Do you think people of parumala will allow you to built a church there? Do you want make parumala a new version of ayodhya?.
we already got freedom from foreigners, but still you are slaves
jacob
jacob
വേദ വിപരീതികളുടെ ആക്രമണങ്ങളില് സഭ നൌക ആടിയുലഞ്ഞപ്പോള്
പരി.പാത്രിയര്‍ക്കീസ് ബാവ മലങ്കരയിലേക്ക് എഴുന്നുള്ളുകയും ഏഴു ഭദ്രാസനങ്ങള് സ്ഥാപിക്കുകയും,ഓരോ ഭദ്രാസനത്തിനും മെത്രാപ്പോലിത്തമാരെ വാഴിക്കുകയും ചെയ്തത് സഭാ ചരിത്രത്തിലെ ഒരു വഴിത്തിരിവായി മാറി.
Ee parazhathinulla, marupadi, thende ee articlil undu vayichu nokkiyalum.
http://malankaraorthodox.tv/kurianthomas/antiochian%20viswasiyo.pdf
പരിശുദ്ധ പരുമലതിരുമെനിയുടെ പാത്രിയര്‍ക്കാ വിശ്വാസം മനസിലാക്കാന് അദ്ദേഹത്തിന്റെ 'ശല്‍മൂസയും' ജെറുസലേം യാത്രാ വിവരണവും, വില്‍പത്രവും മാത്രം വായിച്ചു നോക്കിയാല് മതിയാവുന്നതാണ്.
Ithinulla marupadiyum ithilundu…. http://malankaraorthodox.tv/kurianthomas/antiochian%20viswasiyo.pdf
പരി.സഭയിലെ നിരണം ഭദ്രാസനത്തിലെ പ്രഥമ മെത്രാപ്പോലിത്തയായി വാഴിക്കപ്പെട്ട " കൊച്ചിതിരുമേനി "തന്റെ ജീവിതകാലം വരെയും പരിശുദ്ധ സിംഹാസനത്തോടുള്ള വിധേയത്വം തള്ളി പറഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല.
Vattasheril thirumeni polum parazhitilla… Lowkika adhikaram illa enne parazhittullu..
വട്ടശ്ശേരില് ദിവന്നസിയോസിന്‍റെ നേതൃത്വത്തില് സ്വതന്ത്രവാദം സഭയില് ആളിക്കത്തുകയും "തെക്കന്" ഭദ്രസനങ്ങളില് പലരും ആ വാദത്തെ പിന്തുണക്കുകയും ചെയ്തപ്പോള് പരിശുദ്ധ പരുമല തിരുമേനിയുടെ കബറിടം സ്ഥിതി ചെയ്യുന്ന പരുമല പള്ളിയും സെമിനാരിയും മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികളുടെ കയ്യിലെത്തി.
Sabha pande swathantramarunnu, mulanturthykku shesham pidimurukkiya patriarchisinthe pidi vattasheril thirumeni viduvichu.. pandu marthoma metranmar bharichappol ulla pole akki…..
കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ നിരണത്ത് മാര്‍ത്തോമാ ശ്ലീഹായുടെ നാമത്തിലുള്ള ദൈവാലയം പണിതപ്പോള് ഈ താല്‍പ്പര കക്ഷികള് അതിനെതിരെയും മുറവിളി കൂട്ടിയതാണ്.
Niranathu oru meeting nadathiyappol, annathe catholikka bava, annathe chief minister oommen chandyodu, stagil vechu parazhu, “ ella christianinnum vendi sarkar chilavil oru smarakam niranathu paniyuka ” ennu … stagil athu kettu irunna powathil, pitte azcha thane aa sthalam medichu, rebel pallyum panizhu.... nalle thoma sleeha panizha niranam pally , catholica pally annu ennu avar parazhal mindathirikkan akumo????
Yakobakar arunnel ippo mindathe irunnenne..
"കാതോലിക്ക" എന്നാ സ്ഥാനപേര് ഉപയോഗിക്കുന്നതിനെതിരെ മാര്‍പ്പാപ്പയ്ക്ക് കത്തയച്ചു ഇളിഭ്യരായ സംഭവം ക്രൈസ്തവ ലോകം മറക്കാന് വഴിയില്ല.
Enthu ilibhiyaryi enna??? Reply came from Cardinal Walter Casper, that he is just Major Arch Bishop and not Catholicos… arizhille chetta ithonnum ???
പുതുപ്പള്ളിയിലെ പഴയ പള്ളിക്ക് തൊട്ടടുത്തായി യാക്കോബായ സഭ പുതിയ ദൈവാലയം പണിതു ആരാധന നടത്തിവരുകയും, പെരുന്നാള് ദിവസം പ്രദക്ഷിണം നടത്തുകയും ചെയ്തിട്ടും നാളിതുവരെ എന്തെങ്കിലും ക്രമസമാധാന പ്രശ്നം ഉണ്ടായതായി അറിവില്ല
Thanks. Athinnu njagalkku shake hand tharanam…
പിറവം, കോതമംഗലം,മുളന്തുരുത്തി എന്നിവടങ്ങളില് യാക്കോബായ പള്ളികളോട് ചേര്ന്ന് "മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികള് " പള്ളി പണിതിട്ട് യാക്കോബായ സഭ എതിര്ത്തില്ല.
Aru parazhu ethirthilla ennu??? Ethirthittu karyam illa, avide IOC kar undu, avarkku palliyil pokanam.. pally venam… veetil kuthi irikkan pattumo. 0(ZERO) alkarkku vendi palli paniyunna pole alla, 10 perkku vendi palli paniyunne… pinne piravam, mulanturuthy, kothamangalam okke parumala pole anno ???
എന്തിനേറെ ഒരു മെത്രാന് കക്ഷിക്കാരന് പോലും ഇല്ലാത്ത മീമ്പാറയില് കണ്ടനാട് ഭദ്രാസനത്തിന്റെ ആസ്ഥാനം പണിയുന്നതിനെയും
Bhadrasana astanam evide irunnal entha.. sthalam kittundathalle asthanam paniyan pattu… UK diocesente asthanam keralathil etho kugramathilla… Bangalore diocesinthe asthma , vere enthu oru villagil. Kollam kollam nyayam.
1902 ല് കാലം ചെയ്ത പരി തിരുമേനി അതിനു ശേഷം ഉണ്ടായ മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികളെ ഒരുകാലത്തും അറിഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല എന്ന കാര്യം എന്നാണു മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികള് മനസിലാക്കുന്നത്.
1902 maricha parumala thirumeni engana chetta, metran kakshikareyum, bava kakshikareyum , okke ariyunne ???? vattayo ??? syriakar ivide varunnathinnu munpu kerala christianikku oru charithram undayirunnu, athu parumala thirumenikku nalla pole ariyam…
Pinnem vayichu nokku …
http://malankaraorthodox.tv/kurianthomas/antiochian%20viswasiyo.pdf
ഒരു ആരാധനാലയത്തിന്റെ അടുത്തു വേറൊരു ആരാധനാലയം പണിയാന് ഇന്ത്യന് ഭരണഘടന പ്രകാരം തടസമില്ലന്നിരിക്കെ വെറും നിരര്ത്ഥകമായ കാരണങ്ങള് ചൂണ്ടിക്കാട്ടി മനപൂര്വ്വം പ്രശ്നങ്ങള് സൃഷ്ട്ടിക്കുന്ന മെത്രാന് കക്ഷികളുടെ കുതന്ത്രങ്ങള് തുറന്നു കാട്ടുന്നതിനായി ഒരു സംവാദം ഇവിടെ തുടങ്ങുകയാണ്
Ngaalude pally paniyan sammadikatha vadakku okkke adiyam pally paniyunathinne patti allochikku, ennittu bakki karyam aloochikkam.
Now jacobites are canvasing the parumala people and also offering 10 lakhs to one family if they join in new church. I am having clear evidence because my house is near to parumala church.
palliyodu kalichavannar ippol nallavanam anubhavikkunnundu. AVANTAE YOKKAE VEETIL ADUPPIL THEEPOLUM POKAYUNNILLA.
I understand Mr Jose Kurian Pulieril wants peace. But it is a fact that two warring and mutually suspicious groups cannot maintain peace by staying next to each other.
Jacobites are known for their venomous outburst and the Parumala atmosphere will be vicious. I remember two years back, when the Thrikkunntahu seminary issue was very hot, police officers issuing warnings to policemen on duty that Jacobite youth can turn dangerously violent. Those who were stading at ease turned when vigilant when the Jacobite arrived. Having lost all hope in legal fight, they have been taught that the only way is violence. Bu their strategy won't work everywhere. In south Orthodox being the majority, violence will be met with violence. What will happen eventually? With the majority Orthodox getting agitated Govt decisions may not always favour the Jacobite as in the past. The majority Orthodox were so far not interested in Church squabbles.
This could even turn the whole church against Antioch Patriarch too. Orthodox Church so far hoped that Antioch would bring bring peace iand unity in Church. Now it is certain that Antioch wants only division for self interest. There is also a possibility of another Antochean patriarch favouring the Orthodox Church in future. There are many reasons why future will not hold for Antioch in India.
So to maintain peace, let the jacobite church be at least 5-10 km away from the present Parumalapally.
The arguement that the exisitng parumala pally is not parumala pally will not sell because the Church is known only in that name for more than a CENTURY.
It is certain that peace wil not come in the near future. Patriach who holds an esteemed positon in both the churches could have made some effort for peace. But he is interested in keeping divsion permanent to suit Antioch's intersts.
But I know peace will come. It will take a few decades. Then mark my words 'THEN THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ROLE FOR ANTIOCHEAN PATRIARCH IN THE WHOLE OF MALANKARA CHURCH. Antioch Patriarch will be declared persona non grata by one and all.
In this crisis, the Church should not speak in two voices. Please do not think that those who do not want the Church just close to Parumalapally are not peace lovers.
Holding some respectable posts in the Church, the comment by Mr Kuran Pulieril was unwarranted. I believe Mr Kurain wants peace. But SIR, we can only have war by building another Parumalapally close to the present one. Thank You
Read the jacobite defintion of EDAVAkA in their constitution. It says clearly that Edvaka is for church members who liv ein that locality. how many Jacobite familie live adjacent to Parumalapally?
Dear Mr. Jose,
We all know that what the intension behind new church proposal in parumala. Please don’t try to teach in this regard. We were thinking you are one of the strong orthodox faiths but your mail put us in opposite direction. We can understand your situation one side your own brother and other you’re your nephew
Your weekly message says:
“No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon”
Now you need to come to a decision True God OR Mammon
We are expecting from you decision
WTC, KSA
My take on Mr:George
"Secondly, nobody can monopolise on the posession of a saint. Otherwise, how do we respect St Alphonsa? "
Are you Ok with Manjanikkara Bava and Thrikkunnathu Athanios Thirumeni? Or these saints are waiting in line to be declared?
Are you Ok we building a church with name as St:Gregorios!
Are you guys facing a shortage of saints? We are happy you started beleiving in Jacobite saints which will set stage for the eventual dissolvement of Orthodox into our Sabha.
George - Eldho Bava gifted you a son and you are spreading agins that Bava's teaching! Hope your son will forgive you!Afterall how many Orthodox has their son name as Eldho! I wonder not many!
Dear All
Politricking! Politicians are ever making statements/declarations for them to survive/exist!Likewise H.B.Thomas1 &Group are ever trying to tarnish MOSC for diverting their believers attention from real problems H.B. ThomasI&group are facing or undergoing now!They cannot fight with Antioch Partriarchs or The Decisions of SOC Synod!they must know one thing the First Partriarch who came in Malankara was in 1876,how come then the current property of Paumala church was registerd in Antioch Partriarch's name!H.B.Thomas I group should not even talk about Ayodhaya issue comparing with Parumala as they are concealing the truth and real facts!
Dear Antiorch123 You can build a church in the name of St.Gregorios anywhere you would like do so except with in 700 mtrs range of present Parumala church!This building of new church in the name of the saint by another church like Malankara Rite(catholics)or by Marthoma Churches are different! However the present Jacobite church does not have a seperate tradition/culture or different sacrements or faith apart from MOSC!You are still MALANKARA NAZRANI and st.Thomas Christians not Antioch Christians! those who rejected 1934 constituition went and formed a new society in 2002,because of avoiding court fees/expenses for the case they/jacobites filed in court! you are a not a seperate church or entity! If it is the case Seperate Entity, you have no basis of right in sharing MOSC church properties!
There are lot of St.Gregorios churches for jacobites in India as well as outside india in the name of Parumala saint!There are no monopoly in the name of saints!
Jacobites are behaving like the woman who did not have the baby demanded to be be shared/killed by king Solomon!
Moreover priesthood in Christ's Church is not the monopoly of Antioch!The 12 disciples Christ have the same title/position and rights!Christ did not appoint anybody as Head of His Church on earth!
JSCYA kandanadu
What are the true Christian principles followed by Jacobite Church In Malankara?Hiding Criminals in churches and supporting Mafia Movement?Making Fund for Charity and then paying/utilizing the money intended for Charity for hired criminal Killers or Murderers?
Christ taught and told his disciples to be following Christ as a model or example! instead teaching that only Antioch Partriarch are Church heirarchy/supreme authority of Christ in earth!St.Paul clearly told/taught "Church is Body Of Christ" church is built upon Jesus,the Corner stone,apostles and prophets are stones of foundations! Again Jesus Christ is The Rock!instead of Jesus Christ the" Rock",calling st.Peter as Rock is the true Faith taught by apostles?Who are Antiorthodox?
Jacob Burdhana(the father of orthodox faith) was ordained/consecrated by Alexandrean Church Heirarchy! However are Antiocheans or SOC call them as Father/Mother Church?
Jesus Christ gave his Diciples all authority(of Jesus)freely! Yet you JacobitesforOrdaining/consecrating priests/bishops how much your heirarchy is demanding ?
Dear Jeevan
The Antioch Partrtriarch PeterIII came to Malankara not at his own will and pleasure or expense!He came here at the expenses of Malankara Church and request!
The Antioch Partriarch are not sole authority of Church of Christ on earth!The First Bishop of Jeusalem was St. Jacob(the cousin brother of Christ)and he was not under the authority of St.Peter or Antioch!
Yeldho Bava of Kothamangalam, Bishop Mar Ivanios and Gregorios the three came together also because of request by Malankara Church and the expenses were paid by Malankara church to the merchants/traders who arranged their journey to malankara and not by Antiochean Partriarchs/SOC !
There is no supreme authority that was given to Antioch Partriarch by any Synod of early church over rule in Malankara!
Do not try to impose Antioch supremacy Heirachy/Authority over MOSC as our Church was founded by St.Thomas!In Antioch,early church/ Christianity spread not by St.Peter, Alone,as St.Paul(saul)and Barnabas preached gospel there more than a year and due to team work of apostles,the followers of Christ were known as "Christians"!
First follow Christ ,dear jacobites and then build church for glorification of God!There is no nned to build ribel churches or a new chucrh next to Parumala as sole aim of Jacobites are creating troubles and confusion among people in Malankara!
Parumalayil oru jacobite church vakunathu kasu varan ulla sramam alla. nangal orikalum money aim chithu alla palli vakunathu. nigaluda (orthadoxkaruda) comments vayichal minimum commonsense ulla oru alku ariyam nigal enthina jacobite palliya parumalayi oppose chiunathu ennu (u have the fear that the income of parumala church will decrease)
karthavil ninnum kandu padicha yakkob sleehayaanu yakkobakkaarane kurbana chollaaan padippichathu.... Parumala kurbana chollaan oru palliyude aavasyam sabhayku illa.. Vanathil vachu oru thabalaitha'mel kurbana cholliya charithram yakkobaaya sabhaykkundu... annaaan kunjine maramkayattam padippikkano?
adi undaakkanalla... njangalude pathaavinte kabarinarikil njangalkku oru palli venam... athinu ningal enthinaa orthodox sahodarangale pedikkunnathu... namukku santhoshamaayi praardhichu pokam... aa parisudhane enthinu vedanippikkanam...
ini athalla tharkkathinaanenkil ennu ingane thammil thalli kazhiyam...
hello helloo ,എതാവാ ഈ പറഞ്ഞു വരുന്നത് ........,
പണ്ടതെ കാലത്ത് ,യകൊബായ സഭയെന്നും, യാകൊബയകാര്‍ ,എന്നും വിളിച്ചു വന്നിരുന്നത് - മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സുറിയാനി സഭയെയും,അതിലെ ആളുകളെയെയും ആണ് .അല്ലാതെ പണ്ട് യാക്കോബായ സഭയെന്ന് ഒരു സഭയില്ല, "മലങ്കര സഭയെന്നാണ് " സഭയുടെ പേര്.ആ സഭയിലെ "ആളുകള്‍" ആണ് "യാകൊബയകാര്‍"എന്ന പേരില്‍ അറിയപ്പെടുവന്നിരുന്നത് .
ie ..official name - മലങ്കര സഭ
unofficial name -യകൊബായ സഭ
ആളുകളെ വിളിച്ചുവന്നിരുന്നത്-യാകൊബയകാര്‍
മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സുറിയാനി സഭയിലെ രണ്ടു കഷികള്‍ ആണ് -കാതോലിക്കാ കഷികാരായ യാകൊബയകാരും,patriarchese കഷികാരായ യാകൊബയകാരും,.1958-ല് ഈ രണ്ടു യകൊബായ കഷികാരും ഒന്നിച്ചു . അങ്ങനെ ഔദോഗിക സഭയായി .എന്നാല്‍ 1970s-ല് കുറച്ചു ആളുകള്‍ അവരുടെ സ്വാര്‍ത്ഥ താല്പര്യത്തിനായി ഔദോഗിക സഭയില് നിന്ന് വിഘിടിച്ചു, സഭ വിട്ടു പോയി (വിഘിടിത വിഭാഗം).
/// (അവരുടെ സ്വാര്‍ത്ഥ താല്പര്യത്തിനായിട്ടാണ് ,മലങ്കര സഭ വിട്ടു പോയത് എന്ന് ആരും അറിയാതിരിക്കാന്‍ വേണ്ടി 1912 -ലെ സഭാ വഴക്കിലെക്ക് അവര്‍ വിരല്‍ ചൂണ്ടുന്നു .ഈ വിഘിടിത വിഭാഗം പറയുന്നു ,അവര്‍ patriarchese കഷികാര്‍ ആണ് എന്ന് .എന്നാല്‍ അവര്‍ യഥാര്‍ത്ഥ patriarchese കഷികാര്‍ അല്ല ,കാരണം 1970 -ക്കു മുന്‍പ്‌ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന കാതോലിക്കാ കഷികാര്‍ക്കും,patriarchese കഷികാര്‍ക്കും സഭാ ഒന്നാകണം എന്നായിരുന്നു ആഗ്രഹം.എന്നാല്‍ ഇപ്പോഴതെ വിഘിടിത വിഭാഗതിന് സഭാ രണ്ടു ആകണം എന്നാണ് ആഗ്രഹം.)///
മലങ്കര സഭാ വിട്ടു പോയവര്‍ ,യകൊബായ അസോസിയേഷന്‍ എന്ന ഒരു സംഘടന ഉണ്ടാക്കി .ആ സുംഘടനയാണ്‌ ഇന്നു, യകൊബായ സഭ എന്നു അറിയപ്പെടുന്നതു .അതായതു വിഘിടിത വിഭാഗം പുതയതായി ഉണ്ടാക്കിയ സഭാ.==>>പുതിയതായി ഉണ്ടാക്കിയ യകൊബായ സഭയിലെ ആളുകള്‍ യാകൊബയകാര്‍ എന്ന് അറിയപ്പെടാന്‍ തുടങ്ങിയതോടു കൂടി ,പഴയ യകൊബായ സഭയിലെ(മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സുറിയാനി സഭയിലെ) ആളുകള്‍ automatic ആയി orthodox-ക്കാര്‍ എന്ന് അറിയപ്പെടാന്‍ തുടങ്ങി<<==.മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സുറിയാനി സഭടെ identity-യും(യകൊബായ) സ്വത്തുകളും ആല്ലാതെ ,സ്വന്തം ആയിട്ടു ഈ വിഘിടിത വിഭാഗത്തിന് എന്തകിലും ഉണ്ടോ.
ഇപ്പൊഴും, മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സുറിയാനി സഭടെ ആത്മിക അധികാരി antiochian patriarchese ആണ് .ഇവിടുത്തെ പ്രശനം മലങ്കര സഭടെ ലൌകികധികാരി (ഭരണാധികാരി)ആരു ആകണം എന്നുള്ളതാണ് .1-ആം നുറ്റാണ്ട് മുതലെകെ മലങ്കര സഭടെ ലൌകികധികാരി മലങ്കരയില്‍ നിന്ന് ഉള്ളവരാണ് .അത് തന്നെ continue ചെയണം എന്നേ മലങ്കര സഭാ പറയുന്നു ഉള്ളു ,അതായത്‌ malankara metropolitha തന്നെ ലൌകികധികാരിയായി തുടരണമെന്ന് .,അല്ലാതെ antiochian patriarchese മലങ്കരയുടെ ലൌകികധികാരി ഒന്നും ആകേണ്ട. antiochian patriarchese antiochia -ടെ മാത്രം ലൌകികധികാരി ആയാല്‍ മതി .
It's heartbreaking to see both the Orthodox and the Jacobite factions fighting with each other, bringing in further disunity and bitterness. Being a Syro Malabar Catholic, i endorse the view of the Jacobite church, who has always been obedient to the Antiochean throne, and have respected authority. There's true beauty in such a submission to authority, and i (as well my fellow brethren in the Syro Malabar Church) can relate to the Jacobites in this regard. I think its high time the various factions of the "Puthenkuttu" like the Orthodox, Marthoma, Jacobite, Malankara Catholic, St Thomas Evangelical and the Thozhiyur churches learn from the "Pazhayakuttu" that comprises the undivided Syro Malabar Catholic Church. Our Unity, Oneness and submission to authority has made us the most powerful and influential Syrian Christian faction in the country. United we hand, Divided we Fall!!
It's heartbreaking to see both the Orthodox and the Jacobite factions fighting with each other, bringing in further disunity and bitterness. Being a Syro Malabar Catholic, i endorse the view of the Jacobite church, who has always been obedient to the Antiochean throne, and have respected authority. There's true beauty in such a submission to authority, and i (as well my fellow brethren in the Syro Malabar Church) can relate to the Jacobites in this regard. I think its high time the various factions of the "Puthenkuttu" like the Orthodox, Marthoma, Jacobite, Malankara Catholic, St Thomas Evangelical and the Thozhiyur churches learn from the "Pazhayakuttu" that comprises the undivided Syro Malabar Catholic Church. Our Unity, Oneness and submission to authority has made us the most powerful and influential Syrian Christian faction in the country. United we stand, Divided we Fall!!
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