The Asstt Metropolitan has equal right that of Diocesan Metropolitan to transfer a vicar. He is acting on behalf of the Diocesan Metropolitan, that too with his permission.In Gulf countries the tenure of a priest is likely to be 3 years.If Joseph Achens tenure is over ,then he can be transfered,if not,he should be allowed to be continue at least till the consecration of the parish.Also the Metropolitan whoever maybe should give due importance to the vicars advice/opinions/request/words, as he is more involved in parish activities as the metropolitans representative.
The Bangalore and Ahmedabad Asst Metropolitans are appointed by the Malankara Metropolitan in consultation with the Holy Episcopal Synod and also with the knowledge of Malankara Managaing Committee, so he has got the power as I mentioned in the previous comments.Bava might have stopped/cancelled the transfer of Joseph Achen, may be because his tenure in Gulf is not completed or on pressure from influential source for the completion of work of the church.Also a request to Mtv pl.mention the name and place of the author of comments.
Kindly refer Kalpana No:93/2009 of Bava Thirumeni dated March 2,2009 stating the appointment of Metropolitans and Asstt Metropolitans to the newly formed Diocese.Visit site mosc.in and click kalpana.All kalpanas are uploaded.
Dear Joice & All readers, I DON’T KNOW the TRUTH behind this news, but let me pen down what I felt after reading this news. By this news you are not helping the church instead you are tarnishing all the faithful of MOSC in UAE. Before publishing this you should have consulted the managing committee of RAK church, Rev Fr, Joseph Malayil & H.G Mar Eppiphanios.After reading the said news i feel like MTV has just published a NOTICE raising some allegations against a metropolitan. This is not journalism joice.If you are a journalist, when u receive any particular news,The first thing you should do is :consult all the parties’ involved & then reach an opinion based on the facts & your findings & then publish it, rather than publishing a NOTICE like stuff tarnishing some people. When you enquire about news & find the back stage dramas & stories on it, publish it & it’s definitely going to add to your credibility & the credibility of news what you are publishing. What you have done now is yellow journalism. And some people here are waiting to post comments, "kala pettal kayar edukkan nilkunnavare pore". Joice i request you please publish news items verifying its authenticity & seeking the comments of all the concerned about whom you are reporting. May be Mar Eppiphanios might have a different version of the story other than what you have mentioned. As vattaparambil achen said, it’s a quite common practice in gulf churches that the priests are transferred every three years , in some peculiar cases the diocese metropolitan can extend the service of the priest beyond three years. Joice please consult H.GMar Eppiphanios , Fr.Joseph malayail & managing committee of RAK church & try to publish a news which sounds sensible & realistic , once you do it you may have enough evidences for the allegations you put forward in your news items. Please don’t promote gossips, instead promote facts. Regards
This issue has not came from the vaccum, it seems it is well planned & created. Joseph Malayil achen was former OCYM zonal president & in my knowledge he is very honest. We have experience in UAE that vicars continued their service after 3 years and sometimes joined back again after long gap (may be in different parish). As somebody pointed out it is not a must for a particular achen to complete the construction, then he should be transfered in a better respectful manner. Thank God Sharjah has taken a wise decision to stand with other parishes in UAE(Delhi). Shobin Philip, AbuDhabi
joseph malayil achen..our dearest achen was not only a favorite person for rak edavaka but also for the entire rak.!!!adhehathinte pravarthana reethi angane aayirunnu..even a hindu or muslim knows him and loved him.. rak yil oru palli paniyaan vendi adheham kashttapettathinu edavak janangal yenthu pakaram koduthaalum onnum thanne mathi aavilla..pallipaniyude siteil polum achen povukayaanennu arinjappol avide ulla aalukalude vishamam onnu vere thann aayirunnu.oru vidham emiratesil ulla yella christianikalkkum achaneyum rakyile puthiya palliyum ariyaam..coz sthiram achanum randu moonu perum palli panikku vendi pirivinu poyi kashtapettitundu.palli pani yethrayum pettannu theeranam yennu aathmarthamaayi prayathnichum prarthicha oraalaanu achen.yennittu achen palli pani thamasipikkukayyanennu peru dhoshavum kitty.achanu edavaka pokaan nerathu cash paaridhosham aayi koduthu.achan athu pallipanikku vendi koduthu..(!!nammal chinthikkanam..ee palli pani nadakkunna, saambathikamayi othiri kashtapedunna samayathum ee edavakayil vanna behumanapetta methran edavaka chilavil 5 star resortil thaamasikkukayum nalloru sangya paaridhoshikamayi medikkukayum cheythu..!!!mattu sabhakalile[yakobaya] methran maar palli panikku cash pirichu pallikku kodukkunnu)ee achen evide undayirunnengil palli koodhasha paranjathil nerathe nadakkumaayirunnu..
Despite having a 78% majority(37 out of 47 members) in favour of Fr. Joseph ‘s extension for a period of 3 months , he was transferred as a few members in the committee with vested interests used their influence to do the same. Around 104 church members had signed an appeal duly sent to Catholicate office requesting service extension of Rev. Father Joseph. No response was received. We were aware of the fact there was a transfer order for Fr. Joseph, however, the same was to be extended as per the decree received from HH as the work on the new church is almost completed, in which he was very actively involved. General Body members had also set a date for its consecration in Oct 2010 and it was only befitting that he be present on such a sacred occasion. Alas, as mentioned earlier, he was transferred. Also, the trustee of the church has always been providing misleading information to the church members regarding funds claiming shortage of the same for the construction of the new church when the case is actually otherwise. I sincerely hope the concerned authorities will take necessary action against the people perpetrating such atrocious deeds and that the mismanagement of the church in the hands of a crooked few will be ended. Rev. Father Joseph deserved to be treated much better for the human being that he is and more importantly for the valuable work that he has done for our church.
:) .. I respect the sentiments of RAK church .. See this is the best example for Dis honest behavior.. On first phase .. we are not in Kerala .. we should respect the Rulers there who has given land and over and above Permission to worship.. That is 90%, 10% is the money and workmanship u put together to build a church ... See the comments written .. They are even ready to consecrate the church with Gurgan :) .. We shall not forgot the way we are living in UAE.. I been to UAE for 2 Years .. I was staying near to Dubai church .. I used to thank God for the blessings he has poured on Kerala Orthodox members.. I was a proud man to step in to that church .. I was proud to see our metropolitans were treated as Kings.. But we are forgetting here the legacy of Mathews dwidiyan bava .. and a lot of others.... I don't see any thing wrong to continue with the Achen for next 3 months .. if the request is genuine and he can finish the construction in next 180 days.. Dear friends, it is purely physiological.. The happiness the church members and Achen get from the conclusion. For Achen it is a satisfaction ... If we go purely by rule and regulation :) .. a metropolitan comes to our church.. and the church members boycott.. Our metropolitans and Achens should think.. If the members are not crowded when they come to church .. there is no use of the rob they wear.. I am seeing the transition or our church members view towards priests and High priests .. I have seen people of my church just touch the car of Thirumeni.. 20 years back.. The pattern changed .. This has to be addressed by the Church ... Just think "If the ruler take back permission to build the church" all a waste
First of all i would like to thank almighty god to have a priest like Fr.Joseph Malayil, who have dedicated his life for the work of god and the effort to build a place to worship god the almighty during the summer ( the new place is like a desert i suggest all people to come and witness the place how work is going) really you should have the grace of god otherwise it is difficult to stand in that place especially during this summer, I really appreciate his effort to build the house of god. After reading this news its seems it is unreasonable to relocate the priest in this situation while the work of church is getting over. I am not able to understand why the higher authority is not supporting the interest of the church. I would like to share a scripture from the bible, that our almighty god will open the eyes of the higher authority. Matthew 15 Clean and Unclean Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' A and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.BBut you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' he is not to 'honor his father C' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?" 13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
Dear All, This bishop is showing the power of money. We dont want this bishop in Banglore.Malyail achen one of the best priest in Malankara. Bishop is showing the Malaysian lobbies power.I know him from the Old Catholicate college days.(Now also same person..no change...)Vattaparampil achen also knows Vinayan...? isnt? (Kannu adachu iruttu aakkalle...acha...)
What the Bishop says is correct, nothing handover to H.G, but as per the instruction from the H.G the documents relating to the church and bank has been handover to the trustee without seeing the proper justification.
Dear Annie I don't play a double role,I know Vinayan achen since 1985 when I went to kottayam seminary for admission,similarly I know Mar Epiphanios Today,but I have mentioned about the role of a diocesan metropolitan or asstt metropolitan,not beyond that,so read my comments carefully and then post your comments.I didn't say Mar Epiphanios took a right step or not.
Joice In which church do we not have two groups. In every place where we see two there is difference of opinion. You go to a Hotel. The supplier ask you what would you prefer. Mutton, Chicken or Fish. You have to forgo one for another, because you don't have money. So even within ourselves we have issues. Why to highlight this issue. The immaturity of a Metropolitan is what is revealed here. We can blame it on age. But what about HB THOMAS who is 81 and HH Zakka 79. They also do the same. What we need to do is to pray for every body and sundry to have a peaceful co-existence
Dear readers, it is heart breaking for a true lover and believer of MOC to read such a baseless, provoking, nonsense report published in a forum like MTV without seeking the truth behind all the drama and preplaned hidden programmes. Some facts are listed below for the information and verification of the readers. 1.H.G visited only once in RAk as bishop and that is in December 2009.The G.B had decided to concecrate the church on 17th & 18th December 2009 and invited the diocesan bisho for trhe same. H.G chaired the G.B on 18th Dec.2009 (report says H.G visited after the GB held in 2010 March). 2. Joseph achen's tenure ended on 30th May 2010 and transfer 'kalpana' received in March, but he never read that in the church instead he complaint to H.H that the consrcration of the church is to be during the first week of June and he should be allowed to continue till the consecration. He specifically requested to continue till the end of June. This was agreed by H.H (Refer. kalpana from H.H to achen during the second week of June). 3. When Joseph achen came to UAE, the no. of parish members was more than 180 and the no. of family members was more than 140 and now it is around 210. the new members who joined these years is around 40 and 95% of which are bachelors. 4. Achen had 36 months to work for the church construction. He actively led the team of construction only for the last 4 months. what was he doing all the rest of these 32 months?. 5. The G.B held on 18th June was attended and signed in the register by more than 65 members out of which the so called resolution (though it was against the kalpan's from HH & H.G) signed by only 37 members.The most important and notable point is that such a resolution was allowed and adopted by the body chaired by Joseph achen who is the ultimate benifciary of the resolution. 6. The aligation raised against the H. Trustee is completely base less. He is highly experienced and most respectful person who was trustee for many years during the past and was construction trustee of the present church.The budget for 2010 was submitted in the Annual G.B and GB asked him to make a minor correction and resubmit and it is to be done during the half yearly GB. 7. It is my humble request to all the readers to verify Joseph Achen's track record of service back in India expeccially in Jhansi & Delhi. In RAK achen created and sponsored a group of people with vested interest and hidden agendas. They are really creating the problems associated to the vicar and metropolitan. Here afaction of the people wanted to give extension and at trhe same time another faction wanted not to be extended. Another faction have no comments and they are willing to accept the decision of the church. Both the factions sent their appeal to H.H and finally H.H decided not to renew the visa of Joseph achen and to end the service of the Achen in RAK. (It is heard that after a month long enquiry on the subject and getting report from all the vicars from UAE. 8. The new vicar Fr. manoj Rajan has been working in S. Karnataka for the last 5 years and before that he was vicar in Anteman. 9. Joseph achen many times in public that he was going to Kandanadu -West his mother diocese. He never treated Mar Eppiphanios as his superior but he treated H.G as his assistant. He and his companions even called H.G as 'madhani' and proclaimed that H.G became bishop by bribing.Whenever achen got a chance to speak in the church (Even during the H. sermons) he used to blame and tarnish the church fathers and the diocesan bishop. 9. Now what is going on here is the plays directed by Joseph Achen with an intension to destroy the peace and progress of RAK church. 10. He contributed the purse given to him by the church with the advise of his companions. It is learned that three times of that amount was given to him by these people through a contribution campaign to out going vicar. by A member, RAK Church
For the vast majority of RAK parishers, the whole episode has been tragic. Methrapolitans are expected to be above petty power politics - if not for the robe they wear, at least considering themselves as administrators. In this case the Methrapolitan blew a good opportunity to reconcile the two factions during his visit in Dec 09. Instead of trying to understand the various views and discussing the matter with the vicar - who as someone rightly said is his representative - he got carried away by the few who arranged for his 5-star resort stays etc. Or he might have felt it gave him more political mileage being the leader of one group. How could a Methrapolitan condone physical assaults within the church, agaist a senior member, during the general body meeting, just because the perpetrators are his friends?
What is more worrying is that the church leadership at HQ did nothing to resolve the situation. In spite of two representations by the parishers to retain the Vicar for just 2-3 more months till the consecration, not even a reply was received. Do they look upon the public as creatures who merely exist to fill the coffers of church and the metrapolitans.
On thing is for sure. If the church leadership do not clean up their act, they won't see any followers into the next generation. All these beutiful churches will be empty then.
I was very proud that I was a n ORTHODOX Church Member.But now I am very sad that I am A CHURCH MEMBER IN RAS AL KHAIMAH ST.MARY’s ORTHODOX CHURCH.We need to Worship THE Lord Almighty. But here in RAK church is not a peaceful place for that. Every time in this Church have some problem.We wished that Rev.Joseph Achen Should be here. My personal re quest is that “PARISHUDDA CATHILICA BAVA THIRUMANASSU KONDE”(THE CATHOLICOSE OF THE EAST MORAN MAR BASELIOSE MAR THOMA DIDIMOSE 1st ) Please solve The Problem in RAK CHURCH. IT IS THE ONLY CHURCH IN UAE IN THE NAME OF MOTHER MARY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH A CHURCH MEMBER.
As a member of RAK parish I have to point out some factual errors in the post by Raju. 1. The GB never took a decision to consecrate the church on 18th Dec 09. 2. The number of current members stand around 150, leaving those who have left RAK. Also please bear in mind that bachelors are also church members - though their contribution may be less! 3. The alegations against the Trustee from what is known at the moment seems to be partially true to say the least. Hope future doesn't open up more dirty closets. 4. It is true that well wishers collected a good amount to give Achan, after he showed the magnanimity to dedicate the church's purse to the construction fund. I don't think anybody will find fault with that. 5. Rest of the blog is mainly character asassination of Achan. No commments on that. The Church members and the wider public of RAK knows better.
Now Mr. Raju want to cover the face of Metropolitha and his supporters church construction started on Dec 2008 The whole 2009 year trustee and secretary were fighting with achan for each and every thing Achan cannot do anything
Service Extension Request from Ras Al Khaimah Church. Pl. Visit http://www.malankaraorthodox.tv/news%202010/Service%20Extension%20Request%20from%20Ras%20Al%20Khaimah%20Church.pdf
I don't think these arguments and counter arguments are going to take us anywhere. Can we leave this in the capable hands of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ through the intercessions of St.Mary, St.Thomas, St.Gregorios and St.Dionysius. Just a minute of prayer, will see this issue being sorted over night. Whatever decision that comes from His Holiness please abide by it. Let us bow our heads and pray.
Dear Sir, Please go through the attachments and have a clear picture of what had happend here. These are the 3 petitions we send in various occassions to H.G & H.H. which are self explanatory. Finally the church decided to give him Rs.75000/- as purse. (last time we gave 60000/-to Fr. Jacob). He refused it and declared to give that to Construction fund. After one day in a private get-together he received RS.2 lacks from his group. it is the duty of a priest to take initiative in construction of the church. Now sharjah church renovated. The renovation started by Fr. Saji Yohannan and Consecrated at the time of Present Vicar. The whole construction took only 6 months. In my openion transfer of the vicar and the consecration has no connection. Also it is already decided to invite him for the consecration. I never seen this type of an achen who never prepared to obey Bishops. These all happend just because he ignor H.G and never obeyed. so my humble request is that to verify the details given in attachments and prepare a new report and publish in the TV. Also even now the church is ready for consecration.
being a member of the St.Mary's Orthodox Church,RAK...im truly disappointed about the transfer of Fr.Joseph Malayil....He was a vicar...who was truly devoted to his job,mainly about the church construction.If there's a beautiful standing out there in Rak..it is only the hardwork of Achen.
I would like to comment on what Mr. Raju has said.... he said that achen had 36 months to work on the construction,and led the team of construction only for the last 4 months...i would like to ask him....what role he has in the construction of the church that he has to blame the achen?!what have you done for the church Mr Raju?!
For your kind information...the so called resolution was signed by more than a 100 members....and it has been put up in this site also....so kindly check it up before writing these baseless comments...
The H. Trustee of the Rak church is not trustworthy nor dependable.If any issues has come up against Achen....he has to be blamed along with his "group"....
Mr Raju....how do you know that Joseph achen has created and sponsored group of people with vested interest and hidden agendas?! Are you one of the hidden agendas supporting the opposing team against achen?
Did you hear Achen calling the Thirumeni Madhani?!if so....when?!Where?Why?!
Achen gave back the purse contributed to him because it was given to him not with the full happiness and consent of the people against him....why should he take the money of such prejudiced and selfish people?!if he has got 3 times the amount....its because there were people who loved and cared for him...and was against the injustice done to him....!!
All those people who have raised issues against him.....what have you done to the church construction?!All you have done and is doing is bringing baseless and stupid comments against the church....The entire church knows that the New church was constructed from the sweat and toil of Joseph Achen....
Many people have commented on the changing nature of H.G. after being a thirumeni...There are many people who have become committee members following the injustice decision of Thirumeni....i assure you that if H.G. had not come to RAK....these people would not have been in the commitee...
So Mr.Raju....before you write something stupid....think twice....no thrice!!!
Controversy about Fr.Joseph Malayil's Transfer(Vicar, Ras al khaimah Church) Came from HELL and Swatham Lekhahan is a Devil. Kindly Ignore these type of conversation. Dear Ras Al Khaimah Church members, How you people manage this vicar last three years, He made the history here in Noida before, He is really a messy person. We can compare him like sepulcher. "He is really a white vault" Mrs. Sisly Thomson Delhi.
ഈ സമസ്യയുടെ നിജസ്ഥിതി അറിയില്ലെങ്കിലും ഒരു സാമാന്യ പ്രേക്ഷകന്റെ മനോനിലയുടെ അടിസ്ഥാനത്തില് ചിലത് കുറിക്കട്ടെ.
പഴയ കാലത്തുണ്ടായിരുന്നതു പോലെ ഇന്ന് വൈദികവൃന്ദത്തിനോട് പൊതുവേ ഭക്തി കുറഞ്ഞ് വരുന്നതായാണ് കാണുന്നത്. പക്ഷപാതപരമായി അറിഞ്ഞോ അറിയാതെ പ്രവര്ത്തിക്കുന്നത് അതിനൊരു കാരണമാകാം. ഇവിടെ അഭി: തിരുമേനി പോലും ഒരു പ്രബലമായ ന്യൂനപക്ഷത്തോടൊത്താണെന്നാണ് അറിയുന്നത്. അപ്പോള് ചേരിതിരുവിനു മെത്രാപ്പോലിത്താ തന്നെ പച്ചക്കൊടി വീശിയെന്ന് കരുതണമോ? അപ്പോള് മറുപക്ഷത്തെ സഭയുടെ കുടക്കീഴില് നിര്ത്തേണ്ട ചുമതല ആരുടേതാണ്? കായീനെപ്പോലെ ആ ചോദ്യം ഇവിടെയുമുയരുമോ....."ഞാന് സഹോദരന്റെ കാവല്ക്കാരനോ?"
ഗള്ഫ് മേഖലയില് പൊതുവെയും സഭയിലാകമാനവും ഇന്ന് ’പണത്തിന്റെ ബലം’ തന്നെയാണ് വാഴ്ച നടത്തുന്നത്. വളരെയധികം അഭിമാനിക്കാവുന്ന ചാരിറ്റി പ്രവര്ത്തനങ്ങളും സാമൂഹ്യപ്രവര്ത്തനങ്ങളും ഇവിടെ നടക്കുന്നുണ്ട്. അതിന് പണം അത്യാവശ്യം തന്നെയാണ്. ധനശേഖരണം വലിയൊരു ദൗത്യമാണ് സഭയെ സംബന്ധിച്ചിടത്തോളം. അപ്പോഴൊക്കെ കൈയയച്ച് സഹായിക്കാന് നല്ലൊരു വിഭാഗം സഭാമക്കള് തന്നെയുള്ളതു കൊണ്ടാണ് ഇക്കാര്യങ്ങള് നടന്ന് പോകുന്നതും. പക്ഷെ ഈ സഹായ ഹസ്തം നല്കുന്ന പലരുടെയും ചൊല്പ്പടിക്ക് നില്ക്കേണ്ടിവരുന്ന സഭാ നേതൃത്വത്തിന്റെ പരിതാപകരമായ അഥവാ നിസ്സഹായാവസ്ഥയാണ് പലപ്പോഴും സാധാരണ ജനത്തിന് കാണാന് കഴിയുക. കാര്യങ്ങള് നടക്കണമെങ്കില് ധനം ആവശ്യമാണ്. അതുകൊണ്ട് പല അസത്യങ്ങളും അനീതികളും കണ്ടില്ലെന്ന് നടിച്ച് ആത്യന്തികമായ ലക്ഷ്യത്തിനു മുന്പില് ഇത്തരം ’ചെറിയ കുറവുകള്’ നികത്തപ്പെടുമെന്ന അപ്രഖ്യാപിത നയമാണ് ഇവിടെയെല്ലാം അനുവര്ത്തിക്കപ്പെടുന്നത്.
നമ്മുടെ ആത്മീയ പിതാക്കന്മാരുടെ നിര്ബന്ധത്തിന് വഴങ്ങിയും പൊതുജനമദ്ധ്യേ ലഭിക്കുന്ന അംഗീകാരവും ഓര്ത്ത് സംഭാവന ചെയ്യുന്ന ഒരു ചെറിയ ന്യൂനപക്ഷമെങ്കിലും രൂപപ്പെടുന്നതില് സഭയുടെ നേതൃത്വത്തിനും ഒരു പങ്ക് ഉണ്ടെന്ന് വിസ്മരിച്ച് കൂടാ. മാനസാന്തരപ്പെട്ട ചുങ്കക്കാരന് സക്കായി ’ചാരിറ്റിയ്ക്ക്’ വേണ്ടി തന്റെ സന്പാദ്യത്തില് നിന്നും ദാനം ചെയ്ത രീതിയില് നിന്നും ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ ധനസമാഹരണ നയം വ്യക്തമല്ലേ? ആത്മീയ ജീവിതത്തിന്റെ ഒരു പരിണിത ഫലമായി വേണം ഒരു വ്യക്തി തന്റെ സന്പാദ്യത്തില് നിന്നും ദശാംശവും മറ്റ് ദാനങ്ങളും നടത്തേണ്ടത്. അതിനെ പ്രചോദിപ്പിക്കേണ്ട ചുമതലയാണല്ലോ സഭയ്ക്കുള്ളത്? ഇവിടെ ആത്മീയതയ്ക്ക് രണ്ടാം പരിഗണനയാണോ ലഭിക്കുന്നതെന്ന് ചിന്തിക്കേണ്ടിയിരിക്കുന്നു. ഭണ്ഡാരത്തിലിട്ട വിധവയുടെ ചില്ലിക്കാശിനെ വിലമതിച്ച തന്പുരാന്റെ ചിത്രം ഇവിടെ കൂട്ടിവായിക്കപ്പെടേണ്ടതാണ്. സഭാമക്കളെ അടുത്ത പ്രോജക്റ്റുകളിലേക്കും ആവശ്യമാണെന്ന് ചിന്തിച്ച് ’പിണക്കാതെ നോക്കണമെന്ന’ തത്വം പാലിക്കുന്നതുപോലെ തോന്നും പല നിലപാടുകളും കാണുന്പോള്. ദൈവനിയോഗമാണെങ്കില് ഒന്നിനും തടസ്സമുണ്ടാവുകയില്ല എന്ന് പ്രസംഗിക്കുകയും പഠിപ്പിക്കുകയും ചെയ്യുന്നവര് അഥവാ അങ്ങനെ ചിന്തിക്കുന്നുണ്ടെങ്കില് അത് ഭൂഷണമല്ലല്ലോ?
ഇത് ആരെയും കുറ്റപ്പെടുത്താനല്ല എഴുതുന്നത്. നമ്മളൊക്കെയൊന്ന് ഇരുന്ന് ചിന്തിക്കേണ്ട വിഷയമാണെന്ന തോന്നലാണ് ഇതിന് കാരണം. റാസല് ഖൈമയിലെ പ്രശ്നങ്ങള് അധികം വഷളാക്കാതെ പരിഹരിക്കപ്പെടട്ടെയെന്ന് ആശിക്കുകയും പ്രാര്ത്ഥിക്കുകയും ചെയ്യുന്നു. മുകളില് കുറിച്ചവയ്ക്ക് ഈ പ്രശ്നവുമായി എത്രമാത്രം ബന്ധമുണ്ടെന്ന് ചിന്തിക്കുക. അവിടുത്തെ ഒരു കാര്യവും അറിയാത്ത വെറുമൊരു വായനക്കാരന്റെ ചിന്തകളായി മാത്രം ഇതിനെ കാണണം. ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ സമാധാനം ഇവിടെ വ്യാപിക്കട്ടെ!!
We Orthodox Christians have true faith, but we waste so much energy for unwanted things. I know a priest who was transfered from a church after 4 years of service. Even afterhe was transfered he keeps in touch with the majority of members throgh phone and persoanl touch. this has created huge problem for the priest who was in charge of the parish. members insisted in conducting marriage, house warminig by the old priest while the vicar stood in silence. Still the old priests spends much of hsi time visitng his old parish. (he was transfred to a nearby parish) Why is thi shappening? We people shoud know when teh bishop gives charge to one achan it is our duty to obey. ( i am making a general statement and I do not knwo what happened in Ras Al Khaima) Mohan Kochi
I don't want to make a comment either for or against the transfer. But as a christian, looking from a neutral point of view I want to raise a question. If any of you are entrusted with a project, such as construction of a building,as part of your regular job, and during the course of executing the project if you are either transferred or are due to retire, do you think the work will come to a standstill? Do you think your successor will not be able to complete the task? None of us are indispensable. God's work will still continue.
I also feel that we should be a bit more decent in expressing our feelings through the comments posted. If some one cannot accept the growth of "Vinayan" to the present stature it is not the problem of His Grace, but it is the problem of the one who beholds. I am only reminded of the words of the Pharisees about Jesus and His reply given in Mt.13:54-58. ( ..."Is this not the carpenter's son?"....... "A prophet is not without honour except in his own country and in his own house"....). May God grant us wisdom! Prof.(Dr.) Philipose Joshua Trivandrum
dear Mrs. Sisly Thomson Delhi. u said that...coz u r never a true person..he is a messy person for those who does illegal things.maybe u too belong to that group..maybe achen has warned u for giving undeserved marks for sunday school students..etc sort of things..
The summary of this is indiscipline. This is rampant everywhere. When our Church was planning to have more close links to the Alexandrian and Aremenian Churches during the time of St.Dionysius of Vattasseril, who said why don’t we try and work closer with people who have left us like the Marthomites and CSIs. Infact Bishops like Late Mar Alexios Theodosius tried to work closer with them, and one of the Marthoma Metropolitan had said, ‘we can always try and work on the faith part and compromise on the same, but when it comes to the attitude of our people to consider others at par, I doubt whether it will work’. Is this not the reason for all the divisions we have?
In short all these divisions we see today is nothing to do with faith. That is only a secondary cause. The primary cause is ego.
Our people are famous for complaining that H.H is like that, H.G is like this and the Achen is no good. But what we are doing is what we are not supposed to. Leave the rules and regulations in its way. Don’t try to twist it around. Keep everybody at their place. An Achen or a Bishop should not be treated as a private property. They are public and when some tries to privatize them, the issue starts.
What is annoying is when an Achen is appointed for a certain period, if he so enthusiastic why can’t he work out a timeframe to showcase his enthusiasm within that timeframe. St.John the Baptist was sent to make way for Jesus. In a way we all have similar roles in life. But the St.John in us never proclaim the coming of Jesus.
Now imagine, if the Achen had a problem and he can’t continue his service, what would have happened?
The RAK church was not his child and it will grow without him or anybody who is following him. The curse we have in our church is we have few clergies who feel that they want the faithful to feel that, ‘after me is all zero’. They make the faithful play around all these games. They want people to worship them and not God and that is the reason we have many Pied Piper Achens
There are cases reported that even doctors while operating a patient have died out of heart attack. Does that mean the patient will also die? These things are definitely like that.
If your Achen was to get a transfer to Dubai Church, do you think this Achen will stay? So why all these dramas? Leave him alone and work with the next Achen and for heaven’s sake remember 3 years from now he goes. Don’t organize any fans association.
So faithful of RAK faithful, RELAX! Find out who is building your house? I don’ t think it is the Lord. CALL HIM, because the Psalmist says, "Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it." Don’t you feel all your labor is in vain? Yes brothers and sisters, take some time to relax and seek the guidance of our Lord.
With reference to the RAK church parish issue, I would like to comment my opinion in general. Even though there may be true facts in their writings but it is not a proper way to react by publishing our issues to the public. It should be resolved within the church management or in the parish general body with the initiative of the diocesan Metropolitan. However in my knowledge these issues are very common in most churches. It is a fact and our tradition that, we meek followers are greatly and blindly revere our Spiritual leaders and never be against whatever decisions they take, even though we have our own suggestions which we sacrifice . But our church leaders are misusing this weakness of the meek followers. Thirumeni should have listened everybody’s grievances and his decision should have been convincible to both groups in the church. Instead HG heard one side and favored the group closer to him. When the Church Head(H.H) and Diocesan Metropolitan(H.G) received a petition signed by 104 members for extending the tenure of the previous vicar untill the consecration of the new church, that would have been permitted. But H.H or H.G had not shown any response to their feelings that is what I have understood after reading all the comments in this blog. We always consider our spiritual leaders are apostle of Jesus who teach us his doctrines, but I am sorry to say that in my experience some of them are far away from what they preach in their sermon. If any problematic issues come in the church it should be resolved immediately by the church leaders with their authority in a logic way instead inducing a law that is not always applicable. Disputes should be solved by respecting views of the majority of the members in a diplomatic way. Church members have more priority in parishes back in Kerala where their views are valued but here (in Gulf) the members are not, as they have a lot of undeniable commitments that curtail and hold them back. Church should be a place where the new generation can be molded spiritually and mentally. Equality should be maintained. No individuals should suffer and be insulted, rather there must exist a feeling of love for one another and i.e where the main role of Spiritual leaders should be imparted. Our congregation is going to face a huge loss as the young generation would turn away due to these unnecessary litigations within the church.
We need many changes in our church. We have a Malankara association but the association members have no freedom to raise their opinion in the association rather they are only used to caste their votes to elect Thirumeni. It is very necessary to have an advisory board including qualified layman to help Bhava thirumeni in taking decisions on non spiritual matters but here a few secretaries of H.H acting on his behalf , we have heard so many allegations about the secretaries in previous years. We have started a construction of a secretariat building in the year 2003 and enough fund were collected for this purpose from Gulf and other foreign countries but still not completed. It is a best example for the mismanagement of our church. These are few facts out of many with in my mind that I would like to share. God bless our church. C.G. Varghese Abu Dhabi
Many writers has expressed their personal views on this issue of transfer of the Vicar from Ras Al-Khaima Orthodox church. First, let us ask ourselves "Do we have any decipline in our Orthodox family? Secondly, why do we need to extend the Vicar's term beyond three years? I think all our Priests are equally capable of managing the church affairs. After all, it is the member's money to build the church so if one Vicar been transfered to another church and the incoming Vicar will take over the responsibility.
So, I personally feel that there should not be any extension and the Diocesan Metropolitans should give all the priests an equal oppertunity to serve different churches at different places.
A gentle request to Ms.Annie Mary. Please do not initiate any personal attack on any body but you may express your views in a positive or negative manner if you don't agree to any comments.
Please don't forget what happened our church and Priest at RAK during the 80s. The more noice we make, the authorities will wake-up to re-impose their restrictions on all religions.
A gentle request to all the Metropolitans. Please enforce the three year period regulations for all the Vicars with out any exemptions so that we will have full faith in your administration authority otherwise people will start their interpretations as "Money Power. May God Bless our Orthodox Family around the World.
I frankly appreciate your findings and comments. This issue was to be resolved within our church GB itself. But if come our vicar itself is the villain how come the problem be resolved in a peaceful way? In fact he never was concerend about the spiritual growth of his idavaka rather than his own prestige and prejudices. As a vicar he never tried to find time to resolve this issue despite screwing up more. Personally, I prefer this subject and blogs should be stopped immediately from the public as it would be beneficial to the growth of our church.
Please ...please stop these comments in the name of Mother Mary, our intercessor.
I read your comments on MO TV, but it is very clear that any member named Raju of our church will not write such lies and insult our Thirumeni so openly with such name and bravery case. His Grace visited our parish with out any prior information to our vicar, managing committee or any parish members. Somebody from Fujarah Parish informed our vicar that, HG is coming to day and will visit RAK Parish. You are well aware that during the evening Prayer HG declared openly that tomorrow I will conduct the election, even if I could not conduct the Holy Qurbana. Who invited HG to conduct the Election? as our church was going smoothly without any issues with in the parish. If you are a baptized orthodox Christian can you tell HG conducted the election as per orthodox rules and regulations? The final election eligibility list was signed by HG at 10 PM and put on the board which was suppose to be declared 1 week early as per our constitutional low. This list was not signed by vicar as it was a manipulated list prepared by the then Secretary, Trustee and Auditor. The parish ward list also he signed and put on the notice board along with the eligibility list just previous day of the election. Mr. Raju will you agree with the same procedure, for the next year Election? The public kept silent as HG came to our church first time and we have to keep our dignity, but don’t expect this silence during next visit. “IF ANY”
It is a common practice that in all churches Sunday school headmaster should hold his posts only for 3 years, since he holding a clergy post he should not interferes any other church administrative affairs. It is clear that our HG came to our parish to bring our Sunday school Headmaster to Managing committee, as he is his class mate (We doubt is he blackmailing the bishop?) As a normal practice every year, during the Election Day, just 1 day early he used to summit his resignation to Vicar from the present post and when the public objects he used to withdraw his resignation secretly from the vicar. This year as per his close friendship with HG he succeeded in his old dream by our HG where HG acted as a dictator, Thus our church lost a sum of almost AED 25,000 (Twenty Five Thousand Dirhams) for becoming headmaster as a committee member and creating an open fighting among parish members. As soon as he entered into the managing committee, he tried to occupy one more post as “Joint Trustee” through the backdoor. His desire to hold multiple post never ends!!!!. But in your message you mentioned that our church brought H.G for consecrate which is absolutely wrong. How can you write this? Being a little qualified Raju, I feel pity on your lies.How H.G came to Ras Al Khaimah, for consecration on 17th and 18th December 2009,without any knowledge of Bava, Vicar, Managing Committee and church members.
Please avoid such kind of indecsent comment("MADHANI") against our H.G. It is with deep sorrow and regret from the parish members that H.G had been called by this name. we respect our H.G, please don't provoke us.
ALL OF US FORGET ONE THING WHY THE CHURCH IS BEING BUILT ? WHAT FOR ? WHO IS A BISHOP ? WHAT FOR ? WHO IS A PRIEST ? MANY OF US KNOW VINAYAN WITH LATE FATHER OMMEN (VERY .REV. THEOPHOROS) SO WHAT ? WE KNOW JACOB TOO !!! WE KNOW THANKACHANS AND KUNJACHANS ….
LAWS ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE SOCIETY, "SABBATH IS MADE FOR MAN"
PLEASE LISTEN , TO YOU THE BISHOPS PLEASE READ........ THE LETTER FROM PAUL TO .....TIMOTHY
GIVE RESPECT TO PRIESTS GIVE AND TAKE IS THE BEST ; DO U CARE THE PRIEST AND HIS FAMILY ?? JUST CALL ACHAN AND TALK TO HIM PRIVATELY PERSONALLY WITH TRUE AFFECTION OF A FATHER HE IS NOT A SEPOY POOR PRIESTS !!!!!! THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PLEASE THE BISHOPS NOT GOD DO YOU KNOW THE ALLOWANCES OF A SENIOR PRIEST WITH MUCH EXPERIENCE /PRIESTS IN KERALA PER MONTH ?? ITS JUST 6000 TO 7000 DON’T WE GIVE MORE TO THE BISHOPS FOR A FUNCTION ? ONE OF OUR BISHOP HAD A BANK BALANCE OF 2 . 5 CRORES JUST ENQUIRE ABOUT THIS TO THE FAITHFUL BELIEVERS OF OUR CHURCH AT PATHANAMTHITTA ?
I FEEL THAT THE BISHOP FAILED IN READING THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE ...IN THIS CASE
TO THE FAITHFUL BELIVERS....
SEE HE IS A BEGINNER IN THESE TYPE OF ADMINISTRATION MAY BE IT FAILED . MAY IMPROVE IN COMING DAYS HOPE FOR THE BEST !! WHO SAID THREE YEARS FOR A PRIEST ? WHO MADE THE RULE / WHERE IS IT DRAFTED ? IS IT APPLICABLE TO BISHOPS , ARE THEY THE PART OR THE CLERGY OR NOT ? AND WHAT IS THEIR ALLOWANCE S ? ANY RULES ? WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OR ASSETS OF A BISHOP ? HEARD THAT OUR LATE THEOLOGIAN BISHOP HAS MORE THAN RS 50 CRORES IN BANK PILED UP ----- AS ROYALTY OF BOOKS --IS THERE ANY LAWS FOR PRIVATE PROPERY AND ASSETS ?? WE KNOW ACHANS WHO ARE PERMANENT FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS IN A PARTICULAR CHURCH, THE THING IS THAT BISHOPS HAD NOT MUCH POWER OVER A CHURCH IN ANCIENT DAYS . NOW A DAYS THEY ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE MORE ON PEOPLE AND THE PRIESTS.
ACHAN PLEASE RESPECT THE BISHOP
DEAR FRIENDS THE LAYMEN PLEASE RESPECT THE BISHOPS AND ACHANS
JUST PRAY FOR THEM AND THE ENTIRE CHURCH
KING MAKERS PLEASE LISTEN.......
OUR ADMINISTRATION IS FAILING . GIVE A PEACEFUL ATMOSPHERE TO PRESENT BAVA NEW MALANKARA METROPOLITAN SHOULD TAKE OFFICE IMMEDIATELY. THIS ISSUE MIGHT HAVE RESOLVED EARLIER .....IF .. ... THERE IS AN EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP AT ............DEVALOKAM WE NEED PRAYERFUL ADMINISTRATORS AS BISHOPS NOT THEOLOGIANS OR WHO SECURE DOCORATES FROM U S A BUT EXPERIENCE IN A PARISH IS OF MORE IMPORTANCE FOR AN ABLE ADMINISTRATOR PLEASE THINK THAT TOO IN NEXT ELECTION OF BISHOPS
THINK OF A PROBATIONARY PERIOD FOR NEW BISHOPS . GIVE ENOUGH TRAINING TO THEM AND AFTER THAT POST THEM WITH FULL BISHOPRIC AUTHORITY
THANKS TO M T V AND JOICE FOR THIS WONDERFUL MEDIA
PLEASE BEWARE OF GURGAN AND OTHER SHEEP STEALERS PRAY FOR THE CHURCH AND THE R A K EDAVAKA ESPECIALLY !!!!!!!!!
During the general body meeting, when emergency resolution was submitted, only 57 members were present. As you are well aware that, from this, 47 members signed the resolution and passed. Dear member, for your kind information our members didn’t request H.G, to withdraw the Kalpana. We request to extend the joining date of Fr. Joseph Malayil at Bangalore, from July 15th to October 30th 2010. When almost 90% of the church members request for something which was for the benefit of our church, it is H.G’s responsibility to take care of the church and request.
Regarding the Kalpana from H.G it is our traditional way that the Kalpana should come to our Parish Priest first. But during Joseph Achen’s tenure, almost all the Kalpanas, were reaching to unauthorized hands and they use to say to Joseph Achen that there is a Kalpana from H.G. We here by request our higher authorities that these types of practices will lead to dangerous disasters in our religious organizations and it will de-motivate the true believers of church. We also would like to inform you that, the strength of orthodox church, depends on the parish members (“Vyakthi Undangilae Edavakayullu, Edavakayundangilla Bhadhrasanam undaku, Bhadhrasanam undangilae Sabha undaku…” ) Please remember that this needs to be kept for the smooth existence of the Orthodox Believers Community.
As you are well aware of our Trustee, during the year 2006, has he deposited any money in the bank? For the whole year 2006, he was handling the parish financial aspects without any proper bank transactions. He even blocked the auditor to submit an audit report in the GB, and our Delhi Diocese Metropolitan issued a Kalpana against him not to enter such people for Trustee post, and unfortunately that Kalpana was “swallowed” (MUKKY) by Trustee and Fr.K.J Jacob. If you deny this, we can produce the Kalpana in the next GB. And today we have an account with the bank, and the same Trustee is running now, why he is not depositing the church money in the bank, especially for the month of June 2010. Even the MG committee members did not know the exact bank balance. Even the draft taken for Fr.Joseph Malayil 75,000, is not through the bank account and we would like to know what the source of this amount is.? Is the current financial budget approved by GB? Trustee is running with an unapproved budget, and he is now challenging the GB that it is the mistake of the GB for the approval of the budget. If the GB wants to approve the budget, then call the GB and approve the budget. Is this the traditional behavior of a Trustee? He is arrogant. If anybody can deny these things, please reply. We can provide proof for everything mentioned above.
Your request for the track record for Fr. Joseph Malayil was highly appreciated, at the same time, we can take the same of our Diocese Metropolitan, Priests, Parish Members including you.
You are cursing about the peace and progress of the church, is there any church in orthodox denomination that the Sunday school headmaster holding such a clergy post using unparliamentarily words in the GB. If you deny, we can publish the correct word which was used.
Kalpana kallel pillarkunnathallallo, now we remember the recommendations of Justice V.R Krishnayier, submitted to Govt of Kerala. Whether this kalpana will stand in any court.? And the power of the GB is given by the Supreme court not by the hirercy of the church, we strongly recommend to reconstitute the constitution of Malakara Orthodox Church. The Malankara Association have only right to vote for election of Bishops and remuneration is a vegetable meal. (KADHA ARIYATHAE ACHEN ADARUTHAE)
The absence of Joseph Achen will not affect the church construction,but the liability the church going to face will be more than our expectations. and we pray to God that our new Achen will face the challenge and our God will give all strenght for the same... the construction of the church is not on the basis of turn key but labour contract basis.; Our Achen was the facility manager there, who will take the same challenge now?
WHY THE CHURCH IS BEING BUILT ? WHAT FOR ? WHO IS A BISHOP ? WHAT FOR ? WHO IS A PRIEST ?
MANY OF US KNOW "VINAYAN AS A KOCHU - PAYYAN " WITH LATE FATHER OMMEN (VERY .REV. THEOPHOROS) SO WHAT ? WE KNOW JACOB TOO !!! WE KNOW THANKACHANS AND KUNJACHANS ….
LAWS ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE SOCIETY, “ SABBATH IS MADE FOR MAN “
PLEASE LISTEN , TO YOU THE BISHOPS
PLEASE READ THE LETTER OF PAUL TO TIMOTHY
GIVE RESPECT TO ACHANS GIVE AND TAKE IS THE BEST ; DO U CARE THE PRIEST AND HIS FAMILY ?? JUST CALL ACHAN AND TALK TO HIM PRIVATELY PERSONALLY WITH TRUE AFFECTION OF A FATHER HE IS NOT A SEPOY POOR PRIESTS !!!!!! THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PLEASE THE BISHOPS ....... NOT GOD....... DO YOU KNOW THE ALLOWANCES OF A SENIOR PRIEST..... HAVING ..........YEARS OF EXPERIENCE /PRIESTS IN KERALA PER MONTH ?? ITS JUST 6000 TO 7000 ....... HOW CAN A FAMILY SURVIVE WITH THAT ? WHY THIS ACHAN WANTED TO BE THERE FOR FEW MOTHS MORE ??WIL AND PLEASURE OF THE BISHOP IS OF MORE IMPORTANCE ..... I FEEL....
DON’T WE GIVE MORE TO THE BISHOPS FOR A FUNCTION THAN THE PAY OF A PRIEST PER MONTH ??
ONE OF OUR BISHOP HAD A BANK BALANCE OF 2 . 5 CRORES JUST ASK THE FAITHFUL BELIEVERS OF OUR CHURCH AT PATHANAMTHITTA ? I FEEL THAT THE BISHOP FAILED IN READING .....THE MINDS... OF THE PEOPLE ..... IN THIS CASE SEE HE IS A BEGINNER IN THESE TYPE OF ADMINISTRATION MAY BE IT FAILED . MAY IMPROVE IN COMING DAYS HOPE FOR THE BEST !! WHO SAID THREE YEARS ? WHO MADE THE RULE / WHERE IS IT DRAFTED ? IS IT APPLICABLE TO BISHOPS , ARE THEY THE PART OR THE CLERGY OR NOT ? AND WHAT IS THEIR ALLOWANCE S ? ANY RULES ?WE ARE STRICT IN CERTAIN MATTERS NOT ALWAYS, WE ACT , WE PRETENT TO BE REASONABLE ? TO AVOID CERTAIN PEOPLE THIS IS THE CURSE OF OUR CHURCH , ..... BEGINING FROM FR. C.M.THOMAS TO C. G MATHEW.. OR .....M.O.JOHN AND GURGAN
AND IN OTHER ISSUES TOO ENFORCE RULES AND REGULATIONS ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF ....KUTTAPPANS.... WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OR ASSETS OF A BISHOP ? HEARD THAT OUR LATE THEOLOGIAN BISHOP HAS MORE THAN RS 50 CRORES IN BANK PILED UP ----- AS ROYALTY OF BOOKS --IS THERE ANY LAWS FOR PRIVATE PROPERY AND ASSETS ?? WE KNOW ACHANS WHO ARE PERMANENT FOR MORE THAN 50 YRS IN A PARTICULAR CHURCH, THE THING IS THAT BISHOPS HAD NOT MUCH POWER OVER A CHURCH IN ANCIENT DAYS . NOW A DAYS THEY ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE MORE ON PEOPLE AND THE PRIESTS.
ACHAN PLEASE RESPECT THE BISHOP
DEAR FRIENDS THE LAYMEN PLEASE
RESPECT THE BISHOPS AND ACHANS
JUST PRAY FOR THEM AND THE ENTIRE CHURCH
OUR ADMINISTRATION IS FAILING .
GIVE A PEACEFUL ATMOSPHERE TO PRESENT BAVA
NEW MALANKARA METROPOLITAN SHOULD TAKE OFFICE IMMEDIATELY. THIS PROBLEM SHOULD HAVE RESOLVED EARLIER .. IF THERE …IS... AN ABLE ADMINITRATOR AT …. DEVALOKAM.
THINK OF A PROBATIONARY PERIOD FOR NEW BISHOPS . GIVE ENOUGH TRAINING TO THEM AND AFTER THAT POST THEM WITH FULL BISHOPRIC AUTHORITY
BISHOPS FORM THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE PULLING STRINGS TO RETURN TO KERALA .. EVEN FORM U.S.A TOO WHY ???
KING MAKERS SELECT THOSE WHO HAD
SHOWN GOOD TRACK RECORD IN PARISH
ADMINISTRATION
......... AND HAVING .... SOME
COMMON SENSE TOO.............
AND NOT DOCTORATE FROM U S A….. ???
SEE HOW FR. C M THOMAS BECOME .......H.B.THOMAS 1 WITHIN 30 YEARS.....
THIS IS DUE TO THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE TOO
MAY BE IN COMING YEARS... FR. C.G MATHEW TOO.. ....COME ....UP
THIS SHOULD BE A LESSON TO OUR FATHERS
THANKS TO M T V AND JOICE FOR THIS WONDERFUL MEDIA
PLEASE BEWARE OF GURGAN AND OTHER SHEEP STEALERS
PRAY FOR THE CHURCH AND THE R A K EDAVAKA ESPECIALLY !!!!!!!!!
Mone Abby sen I have been wearing the robe of priest since June 1990.I know what to reply,where to reply,when to reply and how to reply.Kindly refer my comments to Alices post
Dear Abbysen,santosh, raju, yohannan, tomachen and all...please stop this absurd comments which is not giving you any values in front of the public. Everyone of us will have to return back to our home country today or tomorrow. From these comments we can understand that you all only wish to bind up the new church construction and carryout our worships in the hidden way as years back. Please have patience and work together....leaders are chosen to lead the edavaka not to fight with each other. Why r u fighting with your brothers and calling you as christians????
Pleas stop this now...don't you feel ashamed???? Fr. Joseph Malayil has given enough of his contribution to create the fights and the main soothradharan of these blogs. Now that he has left and we are still here fighting....
Dear All, Please to take all of your attention about another matter which is not discussed yet? Why metropolitan is so much angry against the priest and the parish GB? Why HG allowed him up to June second week? The Answer is clear The asst. metropolitan of Bangalore Videsi Thirumani(as HG him selves introducing) /sponsored bishop (as other members saying) can only be in that position up to August last week. So HG wants to consecrate before losing the position. So he forced some of the Parish members to arrange on June or July which the general body rejected. A person who stayed at June, July and August in GCC cannot accept this proposal. 45 to 50 degree hot and the vacation time of the families. So HG became more angry to the priest (HG is already be angry to the priest that he pointed the unlawful things happened in the Annual GB which ended in an election)that didn’t support and didn’t force the GB to take a favorable decision for HG. This is the issue that HG didn’t reply for the request of GB of RAK church. But here I would like to remind HG that this is a church in the name of mother Mary. HG him selves came and forced to arrange an election in the GB even not taking a step to avoid it. And the explanation was election was common in church. Everybody is explaining from his own experience.
I would like to tell you that as Mr. Raju commented the church General body didn’t passed any resolution against Church or metropolitan. A resolution was passed in general body to send a request to metropolitan from church for the extension of Vicar Transfer. As Mr. Raju said the resolution shall be allowed by the chairperson and maybe he is not aware (sleeping or pretended that sleeping) about the matter and it was supported by the majority of the general body. Mr. Raju (K U) commented that priest had received the purse given by the well wishers of the RAK church. Is there any problem for that? Is it a bribe? Why he given back the purse of RAK church that the unofficial GB held for discussing about the matter of purse,the Trustee of the parish commented the liabilities of church that to avoid the purse and the comments which will hurt a greedy less priest like Fr Joseph (Even the financial side of Fr is silent by Mr. Raju , Thomachan , Antrish and everybody ). So he given back.
Dear Dr. Philipose I will remind that 99% of work was finished and only waiting for the consecration. Means such a decision was purposeful and with hidden agenda. Dear THOMACHAN achanna anusarikatta nee ulla sabhiyil pinne thirumania anisarikatha achen kanathilliyo da uva .nee enna varthamanama parayunnathu . Prathyakichu achenna anusarikandta ennu thirumani ganangalkku nirdhasam (kalpana ennu paranju athitta vila kalyunnila) koduthal . JOJO vijarichal thirumani avam enna stithi sabhayillullapol pinna ninna polulla achena anusarikatta aimaniyayum thirumaniya anusarikattha achenayum catholikkayayum bharanakadanayyayum angigarikattha thirumeniyayum okka sabhayil kanam. Pottada uva kalikalama allatha endu parayana ketto. Nee vashamikanda
Sorry everybody expects answer in their own standard.
asha and sicly...whos this 'we'?i as a member too in rak edavaka appreciate m tv for this courageos move. let people know whats happening here in r.a.k.!how high official with minority support plays double game.edavaka membersinu oru vilayum illa!avarude apekshekka oru kadalasinte polum vila illa...all they want is some dirhams from this church.whn achen returned the purse givn to him for church construction, a thirumeni hav asked y he gav that back to the church..he shud hav given it to devalokam. that means..palli panikku cash nammal vere undakikollum angottu kittanullathu angottu varatte yennu!!!
well being a memeber in a church in U A E let me just say few words of my own not to offend anyone. It is true there had been incident of extension of a term ut it will be better to stick to a specific tenure which is only 3 years. Mean time it would be a great favour if mtv and my fellow orthodox members remember this is not our country and other parish is also enjoying the freedom of worship in this country.
If the situation is so conterversy why don't the church think of a visit visa for the so called extended tenure and do the needful. Any way this is going for a long way which is not controling our tounges why we dig the past of any let all this be God willing.
It is decided by St Mary, He has no right to stay in RAK St Mary’s church. This may be a decision of God. He purposely postponed the Church ‘kudasha’ two times, We have done hard work for the ‘kudasha’. It almost completed and handover to the managing committee. He thought he can extend his residence 3 more years. He worked in the church site only three months. His behavior was good for some people and he didn’t like some other people. He work hard last year for election also. I never saw priest canvassing the vote for the managing committee election. God interrupted in there also. There also he couldn’t win. He gathered some people and strengthen them in the GB or MC. They have only power to talk. Whenever somebody else come up and start to talk against his opinion immediately he start to Shout and say “ sit down” this is his nature and attitude. We lost the discipline of the church.
On June 25th Friday he was acted as a mad person, he lost his control. This was happened before completing the H. Qurbana and he was wearing ‘kappa’ . We afraid to attend the Holy Qurbana. Anyway God acted through our Bishop or whoever took initiative . We are praying to God to change him as a priest not as a ‘gunda’. I am thanking to God once more. Jesus still alive.
well said Joy and Tomachen... truth cannot be hidden whoever may bark justice will be for the truth only.
The first person who had posted this blog is reponsible for all the devilish acts of our church together with the priest. (What is your GAIN sir?????)Now in the last do not come up with mudanthan nyayangal to make yourself HOLY.... How could you people go and open your mouth for Holy Qurbana every Friday or whenever there is a Qurbana. Please have it with full respect and divinity. The list of members who signed for the priest to return is also a fabricated one....as you all can see that there are some amounts specified on it. Hey u all dishonest and the evils...please wait...the wrath of God is very near to you... try to stop these comments...if your intention is bad, you will not be spared....for heaven's sake...stop it please...
Seems you both spent too much time to write the article in MOTV. You use this language to show your illiteracy. Next time (if) please use English or Malayalam.
Thank you for bringing out some secret news which somebody was hiding. Means you are very close with out Finance Convener and we can smell who this Joy is? I can’t believe that our Const. Finance Convener Mr. Stephen paid Dhs. 3,000.00 to Achan for site supervision for several months; if he paid he did a very big mistake by misusing his position. Because in my knowledge there is no decision in Const. meeting, Fin. Comm., Managing Committee or GB to pay this amount to Achan or appointment of Achan as site supervisor. So Mr. Stephan has to answer for this, we can say it will be a big crime with our church during the next meeting or GB. I appreciate your courage.
Achan’s reply to you when you ask about Conventions in the Managing Committee, you proved that you are one MC member for 2009, and you proved that last year there was no Managing Committee in our church.
More over if Achen unlocked the notice board, it I the mistake of trustee and Secretary. Achan has the right to keep one se of all keys of a church. Remember he is the president of out church. If trustee or secretary didn’t give the keys, he has the right to open it.
During Xmas carol, in last few years, every member of our church knows that the new face holding the big collection bag will be Trustee candidate for the next year. It seems you want to put this blame on Achan in order to protect your face. This is why this year Achen reduced his trips for carol.
You mentioned Achen used to keep more close with some members, dear this is common. What about our HG? It is common fact which knows that HG came to save one of his classmates and how much our church spent for that? If you compare this with Achen, you know he never wasted one Dirham of church.
Dear Pop, the custodian of Holy services is vicar. He has the right to control it. So better don’t enter to Madbaha to control Achen. Seems this is what happened and you got fired from Achen!!!!!!!
You mentioned that you are a member since 6-7 years, Please note that there are some members who crossed more that 35 years, kindly keep an eye on them and try to learn some good behaviors in the church and change yourself. You will find a big difference with respect to character with them. Try to compare…..
Regarding your opinion about our Vicar that he purposely postponed the consecration of church two times, May I remind you some thing; only 10% of our parish members want to do the consecration before completion of church, parsonage and compound wall. From this 8% are just “Kadha Ariyathe aadunnu” group; rest 2% has to support our Acting HG because they have to compensate the benefits they got from HG.
Why can’t you wait till the completion of all works? We had a GB decision that the church consecration will be done only after completion of all the above mentioned three works and the same report have been approved by our HG. If you have any doubt please contact our church secretary. By this you also proved that you belong to the 8% group.
Can you just explain what benefit our church will get if we consecrate now? Now we have a nice church until August 2011. Think about the present climate, can you stay at our church compound for 1 minute with your children? Is there any place for ladies to sit with young children? Even inside your room can you sit five minutes without AC? 40% of our members are on vacation and their contribution to church construction was also valuable. So my dear, use your brain, don’t be a political supporter. Just for a Biriyani and Rs.100 Kee Jayee for any body. This will be benefited by some one else. So now at this point we can think of our church and no need to think about Achan or Thirumeni.
We requested to extend the service of vicar till OCT 2010, only because of the fact that Joseph Achen’s has close contact, good rapport and excellent relationship with so many people in UAE who can help us in providing financial support for our church construction. It is a true fact that we got maximum collection when we went out with Joseph Achen for raising the funds. We also got construction materials free of cost (about Dhs. 400,000.00) through Achen’s contacts, Examples are Interlock, main door, Blocks, electrical items and so many other items. Any one can refuse or forget this? Please think once the difference when you approach some one for collection with Achen and the situation without Achen.
You mentioned that Achen’s behavior in GB, is there any snake whch will not bite if you kick it ( Chavittiyal kadikatha Pampundooo Sahodaraaa?) Last GB achen do mentioned about the behavior of our beloved Trustee and secretary for the year 2009 and trustee of 2010 also. Why you forget to write about them? You want me to tell this in public? Seems either you are afraid of them or you got one extra Biryani….
Dear Joyichaya, I am also was in last GB of RAK church. What you said? Priest shouted! You and your supporters shouted that you will beat the person who presented the resolution before hearing it(You guys already did it to a senior member in GB held before that one) and the priest warned that anybody do any illegal and indecent activities he will be forced to inform the local authorities. I would like to inform all the readers that, the people who against the priest will overcome the entire dispute by shouting and using abuse words to the person questing against them. But they cannot succeed with this trick against the priest. So you (joy) yourselves think that Priest is a better gunda than you people. He faced problem for 6 years for the Church allegation with the pathrikese (as he himself said) so he will not fear for you people’s shouting. Somebody, even in GB, thinking that they are manager of the GB and all other attendees are their sub ordinates. So please Mr. joy if you are behaving like a gunda against the other members you will feel that the person who not accepting your shouting is also a gunda. Change yourselves better to change others. (Kadakalarinju thanna attangallu kannunnathatu entaappi) And also the allegation against HG is still standing. What do you think if a GB sending a letter about any query to the high authorities? It is still official and if it cannot be accepted by the higher please inform back your request is rejected. You are telling that priest went for vote campaign. If it happened, as per the diocesan metropolitans view, it is not a big deal because already HG explained that the Voting is common in Church. If voting common, even violating church law, campaign will be also common. HG came without officially informing the church, for conduct voting, then the priest will go for campaign. As you said Edayan nannaayenkile aadukal nannaavoo. If the diocesan metropolitan is coming and staying in five star hotel and receiving purse for making somebody as trustee and committee member, it will be a disaster for the diocesan. The problem is created by the decision made by HG with partiality. Mr. Joy even you, a single person, given more that AED 1,000/- to the priest who rejected the (kavar for personal kudashas). I now even you thomachan , chackochan, joyichan ,chandychan and all echans cannot make such a statement from heart that the priest is greedy. Everybody like you, for justifying own side will state now. Let it goes on. The people who know Achen will not believe this lies. What is the justification for trustee spending the parish fund without the approval of annual budget?
What is the justification for keeping the fund without depositing in the bank?
What is the justification for hitting a senior member in the general body?
What is the justification for trying to arrange consecration of the church in June, July (even in the absence of Church Construction Committee Conveyor)?
What is the justification for any high authorities of church not replying for a query from a parish GB?
What is the justification for HG conduct voting even violating the norms of Church without trying for a solution?
What is the justification for HG he himself nominated a committee member and forcefully taking the approval of GB in 18th Dec 2009?
What is the justification for a secretary (for the period 2009) shouting and trying to hit a Vicar?
What is the justification for a trustee explaining that any proposal from him should be approved by GB?
And if priest receiving AED 3000 is a big lie. Prove it if you can
Dear Viewers, Malankara Orthodox TV decided to close the discussion about this matters. So please co-operate with us. Joice Thottackad (Managing Editor)
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Poryveyilathu Ninnu Pally Pani Nokky Nadathiyathinu Achanu Nalla Siksha Thanne Koduthirikkunnu!!!
Ee Methrachan Nammude Old "Parumala Ramban" Alle? Parumalayile Maram Muzhuvanum Vettikkalanju Tar Ittathayirunnallo Adhehathinte Nettam. Ennittu Ippol Maram Vakkanamennum Paranju Sabha Irangiyirikkukayanu.
The Asstt Metropolitan has equal right that of Diocesan Metropolitan to transfer a vicar. He is acting on behalf of the Diocesan Metropolitan, that too with his permission.In Gulf countries the tenure of a priest is likely to be 3 years.If Joseph Achens tenure is over ,then he can be transfered,if not,he should be allowed to be continue at least till the consecration of the parish.Also the Metropolitan whoever maybe should give due importance to the vicars advice/opinions/request/words, as he is more involved in parish activities as the metropolitans representative.
M T V yil,Fr. Joseph Malayil Rasalkhaima Church Vicar SthanathuNinnum Oru ThathwaDheeskhayumillathe, Sabhayile Oru KochuMethrachanal Neekkam Cheyyapettu Enna Vaartha Kandu. Diocesan Metrapolitankoodiyaya Parisutha Catholica bhavayude KalppanakkuPolum VilaKalppikkatha, Bhooripaskham Idavakanghaghaludeyum Abhiyarthanaye Manikkatha, 2 Bhagatheyum Nyaya Aniyanghal Kelkkathe Kurachu Perude Thalathinothu Thullunna KochuMethrachane SabhaNethruthwam Idapettu Nilakku nirthanam. Behu.Achane ThirichuVilichu PallyPany PoorthiyakunnathuVare Vicar Ayi Thudaran Anuvadhikkunnathinu Parisutha BhavathiruManassil Ninnum Kalppana Undakuvan Dayavu Undakanam. Ayathinu Behu.Achanodu Snehamulla Idavakanghanghal Munnittiranghanam. Methrachanmar, Athum KochuMethrachanmar Munvidhiyode Perumarunnathu Ozhivakkappedendathum, Anuuuu.....
The Bangalore and Ahmedabad Asst Metropolitans are appointed by the Malankara Metropolitan in consultation with the Holy Episcopal Synod and also with the knowledge of Malankara Managaing Committee, so he has got the power as I mentioned in the previous comments.Bava might have stopped/cancelled the transfer of Joseph Achen, may be because his tenure in Gulf is not completed or on pressure from influential source for the completion of work of the church.Also a request to Mtv pl.mention the name and place of the author of comments.
Fr.Varghese Yohannan Vattaparampil
Bombay Diocese.
Kindly refer Kalpana No:93/2009 of Bava Thirumeni dated March 2,2009 stating the appointment of Metropolitans and Asstt Metropolitans to the newly formed Diocese.Visit site mosc.in and click kalpana.All kalpanas are uploaded.
Fr.Varghese yohannan vattaparampil
Bombay diocese.
sabhaasnehikal ennu avakaaSappeTunna ningal sabhayude bhadraasana methraappoliththayute kalpana anusarikkan baadhyastharaanu. E nues kettaal Josaph malayil achchanu maathramE paLLi paNiyaan ariyaththoLLoo ennu manassilaakkaam. aduththa achchan vannaalum palli pani munnottu kondu pokaamallo?. appo kure thaalparyakkaaruTe nikshiptha thaalparyangal samrakshshikkukayaaNu ivide. kaThinaaddhvaanam cheyyunna josaphachchane matu idavakakku koodi prayojanappeTuththunnathil enthaaNu thetu. achchan puthiya iTavakayilEkku pOkukayum iviTe puthiya vikaari varukayum cheythu. puthiya vaidikanoToththu dEvaalayam poorththeekarikkaan uthsaahikkoo. sabhayotum baavaathirumEniyoTum bhakthiyum kooRum kaaNikkoo.
Joy mullamthaanam adoor, kuwait
Sorry.
Vattapparambil Achan Paranjathu Thanneyanu Sariyennu Thonnunnu.
Ormappisaku Pattiyathil Shamikkuka.
For Managing Committe Press Release.
pl. Visit
http://www.malankaraorthodox.tv/New%20Bishops/mosc%20press%20release.jpg
This problem created by Asstt .Metropolitan & his friends
God Sees The Truth,But awaits!
Dear Joice & All readers,
I DON’T KNOW the TRUTH behind this news, but let me pen down what I felt after reading this news. By this news you are not helping the church instead you are tarnishing all the faithful of MOSC in UAE. Before publishing this you should have consulted the managing committee of RAK church, Rev Fr, Joseph Malayil & H.G Mar Eppiphanios.After reading the said news i feel like MTV has just published a NOTICE raising some allegations against a metropolitan. This is not journalism joice.If you are a journalist, when u receive any particular news,The first thing you should do is :consult all the parties’ involved & then reach an opinion based on the facts & your findings & then publish it, rather than publishing a NOTICE like stuff tarnishing some people. When you enquire about news & find the back stage dramas & stories on it, publish it & it’s definitely going to add to your credibility & the credibility of news what you are publishing. What you have done now is yellow journalism. And some people here are waiting to post comments, "kala pettal kayar edukkan nilkunnavare pore". Joice i request you please publish news items verifying its authenticity & seeking the comments of all the concerned about whom you are reporting. May be Mar Eppiphanios might have a different version of the story other than what you have mentioned. As vattaparambil achen said, it’s a quite common practice in gulf churches that the priests are transferred every three years , in some peculiar cases the diocese metropolitan can extend the service of the priest beyond three years. Joice please consult H.GMar Eppiphanios , Fr.Joseph malayail & managing committee of RAK church & try to publish a news which sounds sensible & realistic , once you do it you may have enough evidences for the allegations you put forward in your news items. Please don’t promote gossips, instead promote facts.
Regards
This issue has not came from the vaccum, it seems it is well planned & created. Joseph Malayil achen was former OCYM zonal president & in my knowledge he is very honest. We have experience in UAE that vicars continued their service after 3 years and sometimes joined back again after long gap (may be in different parish). As somebody pointed out it is not a must for a particular achen to complete the construction, then he should be transfered in a better respectful manner. Thank God Sharjah has taken a wise decision to stand with other parishes in UAE(Delhi). Shobin Philip, AbuDhabi
joseph malayil achen..our dearest achen was not only a favorite person for rak edavaka but also for the entire rak.!!!adhehathinte pravarthana reethi angane aayirunnu..even a hindu or muslim knows him and loved him..
rak yil oru palli paniyaan vendi adheham kashttapettathinu edavak janangal yenthu pakaram koduthaalum onnum thanne mathi aavilla..pallipaniyude siteil polum achen povukayaanennu arinjappol avide ulla aalukalude vishamam onnu vere thann aayirunnu.oru vidham emiratesil ulla yella christianikalkkum achaneyum rakyile puthiya palliyum ariyaam..coz sthiram achanum randu moonu perum palli panikku vendi pirivinu poyi kashtapettitundu.palli pani yethrayum pettannu theeranam yennu aathmarthamaayi prayathnichum prarthicha oraalaanu achen.yennittu achen palli pani thamasipikkukayyanennu peru dhoshavum kitty.achanu edavaka pokaan nerathu cash paaridhosham aayi koduthu.achan athu pallipanikku vendi koduthu..(!!nammal chinthikkanam..ee palli pani nadakkunna, saambathikamayi othiri kashtapedunna samayathum ee edavakayil vanna behumanapetta methran edavaka chilavil 5 star resortil thaamasikkukayum nalloru sangya paaridhoshikamayi medikkukayum cheythu..!!!mattu sabhakalile[yakobaya] methran maar palli panikku cash pirichu pallikku kodukkunnu)ee achen evide undayirunnengil palli koodhasha paranjathil nerathe nadakkumaayirunnu..
Despite having a 78% majority(37 out of 47 members) in favour of Fr. Joseph ‘s extension for a period of 3 months , he was transferred as a few members in the committee with vested interests used their influence to do the same.
Around 104 church members had signed an appeal duly sent to Catholicate office requesting service extension of Rev. Father Joseph. No response was received.
We were aware of the fact there was a transfer order for Fr. Joseph, however, the same was to be extended as per the decree received from HH as the work on the new church is almost completed, in which he was very actively involved. General Body members had also set a date for its consecration in Oct 2010 and it was only befitting that he be present on such a sacred occasion. Alas, as mentioned earlier, he was transferred.
Also, the trustee of the church has always been providing misleading information to the church members regarding funds claiming shortage of the same for the construction of the new church when the case is actually otherwise.
I sincerely hope the concerned authorities will take necessary action against the people perpetrating such atrocious deeds and that the mismanagement of the church in the hands of a crooked few will be ended.
Rev. Father Joseph deserved to be treated much better for the human being that he is and more importantly for the valuable work that he has done for our church.
A well wisher.
:) .. I respect the sentiments of RAK church .. See this is the best example for Dis honest behavior.. On first phase .. we are not in Kerala .. we should respect the Rulers there who has given land and over and above Permission to worship.. That is 90%, 10% is the money and workmanship u put together to build a church ... See the comments written .. They are even ready to consecrate the church with Gurgan :) .. We shall not forgot the way we are living in UAE.. I been to UAE for 2 Years .. I was staying near to Dubai church .. I used to thank God for the blessings he has poured on Kerala Orthodox members.. I was a proud man to step in to that church .. I was proud to see our metropolitans were treated as Kings.. But we are forgetting here the legacy of Mathews dwidiyan bava .. and a lot of others.... I don't see any thing wrong to continue with the Achen for next 3 months .. if the request is genuine and he can finish the construction in next 180 days.. Dear friends, it is purely physiological.. The happiness the church members and Achen get from the conclusion. For Achen it is a satisfaction ... If we go purely by rule and regulation :) .. a metropolitan comes to our church.. and the church members boycott.. Our metropolitans and Achens should think.. If the members are not crowded when they come to church .. there is no use of the rob they wear.. I am seeing the transition or our church members view towards priests and High priests .. I have seen people of my church just touch the car of Thirumeni.. 20 years back.. The pattern changed .. This has to be addressed by the Church ... Just think "If the ruler take back permission to build the church" all a waste
First of all i would like to thank almighty god to have a priest like Fr.Joseph Malayil, who have dedicated his life for the work of god and the effort to build a place to worship god the almighty during the summer ( the new place is like a desert i suggest all people to come and witness the place how work is going) really you should have the grace of god otherwise it is difficult to stand in that place especially during this summer, I really appreciate his effort to build the house of god. After reading this news its seems it is unreasonable to relocate the priest in this situation while the work of church is getting over. I am not able to understand why the higher authority is not supporting the interest of the church.
I would like to share a scripture from the bible, that our almighty god will open the eyes of the higher authority.
Matthew 15
Clean and Unclean
Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' A and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.BBut you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' he is not to 'honor his father C' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.
Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"
13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
Dear All,
This bishop is showing the power of money. We dont want this bishop in Banglore.Malyail achen one of the best priest in Malankara. Bishop is showing the Malaysian lobbies power.I know him from the Old Catholicate college days.(Now also same person..no change...)Vattaparampil achen also knows Vinayan...? isnt? (Kannu adachu iruttu aakkalle...acha...)
Annie Mary Varghese Banglore,Dubai
What the Bishop says is correct, nothing handover to H.G, but as per the instruction from the H.G the documents relating to the church and bank has been handover to the trustee without seeing the proper justification.
Dear Annie
I don't play a double role,I know Vinayan achen since 1985 when I went to kottayam seminary for admission,similarly I know Mar Epiphanios Today,but I have mentioned about the role of a diocesan metropolitan or asstt metropolitan,not beyond that,so read my comments carefully and then post your comments.I didn't say Mar Epiphanios took a right step or not.
e kathil parayunnath onnum sheriyalla
e parayunnathonnum sheriyall
a
Vartha Sathyamalla Ennu Ezhuthunnavar Ethu Karyamanu Sathyamallathathu Ennu Krithyamayi Ezhuthuka.
Pothuyogathil Prasnam undayille?
Achane Sthalam Mattiyille?
Achan Panam Sambhavana Chaithille?
Palliyil 2 Group Ille?
- Editor
Rasal Khaimakkar Gurgan Thirumeniyude Koode Pokumennanallo Parayunnathu. Prasnam Kolamakkathe Theerkkan Devalokam Nethruathwathinu Nalla Budhy kodukkan Prarthikkam.
M TV Sabhayil Nadakkunnathil Orennam Sample Aayi Koduthathu Aayirikkum Ennu Karuthunnu. Ithupolathe Ethrayo Gulumalukal Sabhayil Kidakkunnu.
Joice
In which church do we not have two groups. In every place where we see two there is difference of opinion. You go to a Hotel. The supplier ask you what would you prefer. Mutton, Chicken or Fish. You have to forgo one for another, because you don't have money. So even within ourselves we have issues. Why to highlight this issue. The immaturity of a Metropolitan is what is revealed here. We can blame it on age. But what about HB THOMAS who is 81 and HH Zakka 79. They also do the same. What we need to do is to pray for every body and sundry to have a peaceful co-existence
Dear readers,
it is heart breaking for a true lover and believer of MOC to read such a baseless, provoking, nonsense report published in a forum like MTV without seeking the truth behind all the drama and preplaned hidden programmes. Some facts are listed below for the information and verification of the readers.
1.H.G visited only once in RAk as bishop and that is in December 2009.The G.B had decided to concecrate the church on 17th & 18th December 2009 and invited the diocesan bisho for trhe same. H.G chaired the G.B on 18th Dec.2009 (report says H.G visited after the GB held in 2010 March).
2. Joseph achen's tenure ended on 30th May 2010 and transfer 'kalpana' received in March, but he never read that in the church instead he complaint to H.H that the consrcration of the church is to be during the first week of June and he should be allowed to continue till the consecration. He specifically requested to continue till the end of June. This was agreed by H.H (Refer. kalpana from H.H to achen during the second week of June).
3. When Joseph achen came to UAE, the no. of parish members was more than 180 and the no. of family members was more than 140 and now it is around 210. the new members who joined these years is around 40 and 95% of which are bachelors.
4. Achen had 36 months to work for the church construction. He actively led the team of construction only for the last 4 months. what was he doing all the rest of these 32 months?.
5. The G.B held on 18th June was attended and signed in the register by more than 65 members out of which the so called resolution (though it was against the kalpan's from HH & H.G) signed by only 37 members.The most important and notable point is that such a resolution was allowed and adopted by the body chaired by Joseph achen who is the ultimate benifciary of the resolution.
6. The aligation raised against the H. Trustee is completely base less. He is highly experienced and most respectful person who was trustee for many years during the past and was construction trustee of the present church.The budget for 2010 was submitted in the Annual G.B and GB asked him to make a minor correction and resubmit and it is to be done during the half yearly GB.
7. It is my humble request to all the readers to verify Joseph Achen's track record of service back in India expeccially in Jhansi & Delhi. In RAK achen created and sponsored a group of people with vested interest and hidden agendas. They are really creating the problems associated to the vicar and metropolitan. Here afaction of the people wanted to give extension and at trhe same time another faction wanted not to be extended. Another faction have no comments and they are willing to accept the decision of the church. Both the factions sent their appeal to H.H and finally H.H decided not to renew the visa of Joseph achen and to end the service of the Achen in RAK. (It is heard that after a month long enquiry on the subject and getting report from all the vicars from UAE.
8. The new vicar Fr. manoj Rajan has been working in S. Karnataka for the last 5 years and before that he was vicar in Anteman.
9. Joseph achen many times in public that he was going to Kandanadu -West his mother diocese. He never treated Mar Eppiphanios as his superior but he treated H.G as his assistant. He and his companions even called H.G as 'madhani' and proclaimed that H.G became bishop by bribing.Whenever achen got a chance to speak in the church (Even during the H. sermons) he used to blame and tarnish the church fathers and the diocesan bishop.
9. Now what is going on here is the plays directed by Joseph Achen with an intension to destroy the peace and progress of RAK church.
10. He contributed the purse given to him by the church with the advise of his companions. It is learned that three times of that amount was given to him by these people through a contribution campaign to out going vicar.
by
A member, RAK Church
For the vast majority of RAK parishers, the whole episode has been tragic. Methrapolitans are expected to be above petty power politics - if not for the robe they wear, at least considering themselves as administrators. In this case the Methrapolitan blew a good opportunity to reconcile the two factions during his visit in Dec 09. Instead of trying to understand the various views and discussing the matter with the vicar - who as someone rightly said is his representative - he got carried away by the few who arranged for his 5-star resort stays etc. Or he might have felt it gave him more political mileage being the leader of one group. How could a Methrapolitan condone physical assaults within the church, agaist a senior member, during the general body meeting, just because the perpetrators are his friends?
What is more worrying is that the church leadership at HQ did nothing to resolve the situation. In spite of two representations by the parishers to retain the Vicar for just 2-3 more months till the consecration, not even a reply was received. Do they look upon the public as creatures who merely exist to fill the coffers of church and the metrapolitans.
On thing is for sure. If the church leadership do not clean up their act, they won't see any followers into the next generation. All these beutiful churches will be empty then.
I was very proud that I was a n ORTHODOX Church Member.But now I am very sad that I am A CHURCH MEMBER IN RAS AL KHAIMAH ST.MARY’s ORTHODOX CHURCH.We need to Worship
THE Lord Almighty. But here in RAK church is not a peaceful place for that. Every time in this Church have some problem.We wished that Rev.Joseph Achen Should be here. My personal
re quest is that “PARISHUDDA CATHILICA BAVA THIRUMANASSU KONDE”(THE CATHOLICOSE OF THE EAST MORAN MAR BASELIOSE MAR THOMA DIDIMOSE 1st ) Please solve The Problem
in RAK CHURCH. IT IS THE ONLY CHURCH IN UAE IN THE NAME OF MOTHER MARY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
A CHURCH MEMBER.
As a member of RAK parish I have to point out some factual errors in the post by Raju.
1. The GB never took a decision to consecrate the church on 18th Dec 09.
2. The number of current members stand around 150, leaving those who have left RAK. Also please bear in mind that bachelors are also church members - though their contribution may be less!
3. The alegations against the Trustee from what is known at the moment seems to be partially true to say the least. Hope future doesn't open up more dirty closets.
4. It is true that well wishers collected a good amount to give Achan, after he showed the magnanimity to dedicate the church's purse to the construction fund. I don't think anybody will find fault with that.
5. Rest of the blog is mainly character asassination of Achan. No commments on that. The Church members and the wider public of RAK knows better.
Now Mr. Raju want to cover the face of Metropolitha and his supporters church construction started on Dec 2008 The whole 2009 year trustee and secretary were fighting with achan for each and every thing Achan cannot do anything
Service Extension Request from Ras Al Khaimah Church.
Pl. Visit
http://www.malankaraorthodox.tv/news%202010/Service%20Extension%20Request%20from%20Ras%20Al%20Khaimah%20Church.pdf
I don't think these arguments and counter arguments are going to take us anywhere. Can we leave this in the capable hands of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ through the intercessions of St.Mary, St.Thomas, St.Gregorios and St.Dionysius. Just a minute of prayer, will see this issue being sorted over night. Whatever decision that comes from His Holiness please abide by it.
Let us bow our heads and pray.
A Letter From Abraham to the Editor
Dear Sir,
Please go through the attachments and have a clear picture of what had happend here. These are the 3 petitions we send in various occassions to H.G & H.H. which are self explanatory. Finally the church decided to give him Rs.75000/- as purse. (last time we gave 60000/-to Fr. Jacob). He refused it and declared to give that to Construction fund. After one day in a private get-together he received RS.2 lacks from his group. it is the duty of a priest to take initiative in construction of the church. Now sharjah church renovated. The renovation started by Fr. Saji Yohannan and Consecrated at the time of Present Vicar. The whole construction took only 6 months. In my openion transfer of the vicar and the consecration has no connection. Also it is already decided to invite him for the consecration. I never seen this type of an achen who never prepared to obey Bishops. These all happend just because he ignor H.G and never obeyed.
so my humble request is that to verify the details given in attachments and prepare a new report and publish in the TV. Also even now the church is ready for consecration.
Regards
Abraham
RAKiyl swanthamaayi pallikkku oru sthalam kittiyappol,
avide paniyunna manoharamaaya palli pani muzhuvanum poorthiyakiyathinu shesham koodhasha cheyyunathinu pakaram,
2009ile bharanasamadhiyude
'durvaashikku'vendi 2009 decemberil,thatikooti koodasha cheyyan sammadhikaadhirunna idava janangale njangal abhinandhikunnu!!
pani poorthikarikkaatha palliyude koodhasha nadathuvan abhivandhya thirumeniye thettidharippichu 2009 decemberil RAKyilekku vilichuvaruthukeyum, palarudeyum swartha thaalparyathinuvendi thirumeniyude adhyakshadayil varshika pothuyogavum koodukayum cheyythathalle ee prashnangalkku ellam thudakkam...???
thirumeniyannu nishpakshamaayi oru theerumaanam eduthirunnenngil...!!!!
being a member of the St.Mary's Orthodox Church,RAK...im truly disappointed about the transfer of Fr.Joseph Malayil....He was a vicar...who was truly devoted to his job,mainly about the church construction.If there's a beautiful standing out there in Rak..it is only the hardwork of Achen.
I would like to comment on what Mr. Raju has said....
he said that achen had 36 months to work on the construction,and led the team of construction only for the last 4 months...i would like to ask him....what role he has in the construction of the church that he has to blame the achen?!what have you done for the church Mr Raju?!
For your kind information...the so called resolution was signed by more than a 100 members....and it has been put up in this site also....so kindly check it up before writing these baseless comments...
The H. Trustee of the Rak church is not trustworthy nor dependable.If any issues has come up against Achen....he has to be blamed along with his "group"....
Mr Raju....how do you know that Joseph achen has created and sponsored group of people with vested interest and hidden agendas?! Are you one of the hidden agendas supporting the opposing team against achen?
Did you hear Achen calling the Thirumeni Madhani?!if so....when?!Where?Why?!
Achen gave back the purse contributed to him because it was given to him not with the full happiness and consent of the people against him....why should he take the money of such prejudiced and selfish people?!if he has got 3 times the amount....its because there were people who loved and cared for him...and was against the injustice done to him....!!
All those people who have raised issues against him.....what have you done to the church construction?!All you have done and is doing is bringing baseless and stupid comments against the church....The entire church knows that the New church was constructed from the sweat and toil of Joseph Achen....
Many people have commented on the changing nature of H.G. after being a thirumeni...There are many people who have become committee members following the injustice decision of Thirumeni....i assure you that if H.G. had not come to RAK....these people would not have been in the commitee...
So Mr.Raju....before you write something stupid....think twice....no thrice!!!
Dear Raju...
What you have written is utter stupidity...!!!
Controversy about Fr.Joseph Malayil's Transfer(Vicar, Ras al khaimah Church) Came from HELL and Swatham Lekhahan is a Devil. Kindly Ignore these type of conversation.
Dear Ras Al Khaimah Church members, How you people manage this vicar last three years, He made the history here in Noida before, He is really a messy person. We can compare him like sepulcher. "He is really a white vault"
Mrs. Sisly Thomson Delhi.
ഈ സമസ്യയുടെ നിജസ്ഥിതി അറിയില്ലെങ്കിലും ഒരു സാമാന്യ പ്രേക്ഷകന്റെ മനോനിലയുടെ അടിസ്ഥാനത്തില് ചിലത് കുറിക്കട്ടെ.
പഴയ കാലത്തുണ്ടായിരുന്നതു പോലെ ഇന്ന് വൈദികവൃന്ദത്തിനോട് പൊതുവേ ഭക്തി കുറഞ്ഞ് വരുന്നതായാണ് കാണുന്നത്. പക്ഷപാതപരമായി അറിഞ്ഞോ അറിയാതെ പ്രവര്ത്തിക്കുന്നത് അതിനൊരു കാരണമാകാം. ഇവിടെ അഭി: തിരുമേനി പോലും ഒരു പ്രബലമായ ന്യൂനപക്ഷത്തോടൊത്താണെന്നാണ് അറിയുന്നത്. അപ്പോള് ചേരിതിരുവിനു മെത്രാപ്പോലിത്താ തന്നെ പച്ചക്കൊടി വീശിയെന്ന് കരുതണമോ? അപ്പോള് മറുപക്ഷത്തെ സഭയുടെ കുടക്കീഴില് നിര്ത്തേണ്ട ചുമതല ആരുടേതാണ്? കായീനെപ്പോലെ ആ ചോദ്യം ഇവിടെയുമുയരുമോ....."ഞാന് സഹോദരന്റെ കാവല്ക്കാരനോ?"
ഗള്ഫ് മേഖലയില് പൊതുവെയും സഭയിലാകമാനവും ഇന്ന് ’പണത്തിന്റെ ബലം’ തന്നെയാണ് വാഴ്ച നടത്തുന്നത്. വളരെയധികം അഭിമാനിക്കാവുന്ന ചാരിറ്റി പ്രവര്ത്തനങ്ങളും സാമൂഹ്യപ്രവര്ത്തനങ്ങളും ഇവിടെ നടക്കുന്നുണ്ട്. അതിന് പണം അത്യാവശ്യം തന്നെയാണ്. ധനശേഖരണം വലിയൊരു ദൗത്യമാണ് സഭയെ സംബന്ധിച്ചിടത്തോളം. അപ്പോഴൊക്കെ കൈയയച്ച് സഹായിക്കാന് നല്ലൊരു വിഭാഗം സഭാമക്കള് തന്നെയുള്ളതു കൊണ്ടാണ് ഇക്കാര്യങ്ങള് നടന്ന് പോകുന്നതും. പക്ഷെ ഈ സഹായ ഹസ്തം നല്കുന്ന പലരുടെയും ചൊല്പ്പടിക്ക് നില്ക്കേണ്ടിവരുന്ന സഭാ നേതൃത്വത്തിന്റെ പരിതാപകരമായ അഥവാ നിസ്സഹായാവസ്ഥയാണ് പലപ്പോഴും സാധാരണ ജനത്തിന് കാണാന് കഴിയുക. കാര്യങ്ങള് നടക്കണമെങ്കില് ധനം ആവശ്യമാണ്. അതുകൊണ്ട് പല അസത്യങ്ങളും അനീതികളും കണ്ടില്ലെന്ന് നടിച്ച് ആത്യന്തികമായ ലക്ഷ്യത്തിനു മുന്പില് ഇത്തരം ’ചെറിയ കുറവുകള്’ നികത്തപ്പെടുമെന്ന അപ്രഖ്യാപിത നയമാണ് ഇവിടെയെല്ലാം അനുവര്ത്തിക്കപ്പെടുന്നത്.
നമ്മുടെ ആത്മീയ പിതാക്കന്മാരുടെ നിര്ബന്ധത്തിന് വഴങ്ങിയും പൊതുജനമദ്ധ്യേ ലഭിക്കുന്ന അംഗീകാരവും ഓര്ത്ത് സംഭാവന ചെയ്യുന്ന ഒരു ചെറിയ ന്യൂനപക്ഷമെങ്കിലും രൂപപ്പെടുന്നതില് സഭയുടെ നേതൃത്വത്തിനും ഒരു പങ്ക് ഉണ്ടെന്ന് വിസ്മരിച്ച് കൂടാ. മാനസാന്തരപ്പെട്ട ചുങ്കക്കാരന് സക്കായി ’ചാരിറ്റിയ്ക്ക്’ വേണ്ടി തന്റെ സന്പാദ്യത്തില് നിന്നും ദാനം ചെയ്ത രീതിയില് നിന്നും ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ ധനസമാഹരണ നയം വ്യക്തമല്ലേ? ആത്മീയ ജീവിതത്തിന്റെ ഒരു പരിണിത ഫലമായി വേണം ഒരു വ്യക്തി തന്റെ സന്പാദ്യത്തില് നിന്നും ദശാംശവും മറ്റ് ദാനങ്ങളും നടത്തേണ്ടത്. അതിനെ പ്രചോദിപ്പിക്കേണ്ട ചുമതലയാണല്ലോ സഭയ്ക്കുള്ളത്? ഇവിടെ ആത്മീയതയ്ക്ക് രണ്ടാം പരിഗണനയാണോ ലഭിക്കുന്നതെന്ന് ചിന്തിക്കേണ്ടിയിരിക്കുന്നു. ഭണ്ഡാരത്തിലിട്ട വിധവയുടെ ചില്ലിക്കാശിനെ വിലമതിച്ച തന്പുരാന്റെ ചിത്രം ഇവിടെ കൂട്ടിവായിക്കപ്പെടേണ്ടതാണ്. സഭാമക്കളെ അടുത്ത പ്രോജക്റ്റുകളിലേക്കും ആവശ്യമാണെന്ന് ചിന്തിച്ച് ’പിണക്കാതെ നോക്കണമെന്ന’ തത്വം പാലിക്കുന്നതുപോലെ തോന്നും പല നിലപാടുകളും കാണുന്പോള്. ദൈവനിയോഗമാണെങ്കില് ഒന്നിനും തടസ്സമുണ്ടാവുകയില്ല എന്ന് പ്രസംഗിക്കുകയും പഠിപ്പിക്കുകയും ചെയ്യുന്നവര് അഥവാ അങ്ങനെ ചിന്തിക്കുന്നുണ്ടെങ്കില് അത് ഭൂഷണമല്ലല്ലോ?
ഇത് ആരെയും കുറ്റപ്പെടുത്താനല്ല എഴുതുന്നത്. നമ്മളൊക്കെയൊന്ന് ഇരുന്ന് ചിന്തിക്കേണ്ട വിഷയമാണെന്ന തോന്നലാണ് ഇതിന് കാരണം. റാസല് ഖൈമയിലെ പ്രശ്നങ്ങള് അധികം വഷളാക്കാതെ പരിഹരിക്കപ്പെടട്ടെയെന്ന് ആശിക്കുകയും പ്രാര്ത്ഥിക്കുകയും ചെയ്യുന്നു. മുകളില് കുറിച്ചവയ്ക്ക് ഈ പ്രശ്നവുമായി എത്രമാത്രം ബന്ധമുണ്ടെന്ന് ചിന്തിക്കുക. അവിടുത്തെ ഒരു കാര്യവും അറിയാത്ത വെറുമൊരു വായനക്കാരന്റെ ചിന്തകളായി മാത്രം ഇതിനെ കാണണം. ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ സമാധാനം ഇവിടെ വ്യാപിക്കട്ടെ!!
We Orthodox Christians have true faith, but we waste so much energy for unwanted things.
I know a priest who was transfered from a church after 4 years of service. Even afterhe was transfered he keeps in touch with the majority of members throgh phone and persoanl touch. this has created huge problem for the priest who was in charge of the parish. members insisted in conducting marriage, house warminig by the old priest while the vicar stood in silence. Still the old priests spends much of hsi time visitng his old parish. (he was transfred to a nearby parish) Why is thi shappening? We people shoud know when teh bishop gives charge to one achan it is our duty to obey. ( i am making a general statement and I do not knwo what happened in Ras Al Khaima)
Mohan
Kochi
Please don't get agitated . Ithoke chaaya koppayile kodunkattu mathram
THIS TOO SHALL PASS
A well wisher from RAK
Annrish Tan paranjathinodu poornamayi yojikkuvan sadhyamalla karanam annathe bharana samithi palli mathram koodasha cheyyan thanneyanu udheshichathu. But opposite groupinte (swarthatha)karanam palliyum anubandha ketttidangalum pani poorthiyayathinu shesham koodasha mathiyennanu theerumanichathu. Athinodu annathe MC yum yojichirunnu. Pinnidu Josephachente group kali karanam ellam tharumarayi. Badhrasana methrane bahumanikkatha achene engane idavaka janangal bahumanikkum...ithil ninnum achenthu nettamanu undayethu???? Ippol puthiyathayi vannittulla Manoj acehnum oru chance koduthu nokku... Adhehathinu oru pakshe Joseph achenekkalum kooduthal contribute cheyyuvan sadhichekkum. Sadhikkatte ennu prarthikkunnu.
r.a.k.pallikku kallu edaan vanna klimmis thirumeni appol kittiya cash paridhoshikam palli panikayi koduthirinnu.palli pillaril nilkkumbol koodhaasha cheyyan vanna thirumeni aa valiya manasu kaanichilla..
palli pani ethrayum thaamasichathinu ethinu munpe erunna secretaryum, trusteeyum oru mukya panku vahichittundu.ippol polum udakkan vendi maathram committeyil varunna aalukal undu.palliyil qurbanakku kaanarilla..(eniyum muthal varumaayirikkum. achan poyallo!!)
shathruvinte shathru..mithram..adi kittiyavanum adicha aalum chernnu achanu yethire..yenthaanu achan avarodu kaanichathu?avarude thalparyangalkkum..aagrahathinum otthu achan thulliyilla...udhaharanam parayan..orupaadu kaaryangal undu..allathe abraham parayunnathu pole alla..
Yohannan
R.A.K
Malankara Sbhakku oru parishudhan Koody.
RAK..yile prashnangl kettidatholam Malayil Achanepole oru shreshtanaaya purohithan ella ennanu manassilaavunnathu,
sathyam enthaanennu manassilakkaaan aarum thayyaaraakunnilla,Veruthe kaaryam enthennariyaathe sabha pithaakkanmaare
Karivaari theykkaan oru vibhaagam nadathunna draama aanithu. Ellaavarum parayunnathu poleyum Ke..lkunnathu poleyum alla kaaryangal.sabhayeyo sabha nethrithwatheyo angeekarikkaatha anusarikkaatha etharam oru purohithan orthodox sabhayil undallo ennorkumpol aanu prayaasam. parassyamaayi Catholica bawayeyum mattum velluvilikkaan madiyillaatha athum vishudha Qurbaana madhye vishudha vasthravum aninju. Ee purohithaneppatty aano ee chakkara varthamaanangl..? angane aanenkil malankara sabhakku oru prakhyaapitha parishudhan koodi undaavum . Name maathram kandu pidichaal mathi.
Evide undaaya Prashnangal sharikku padichu manassilaakiya sheshamaanu sabha nethrithwam engane oru theerumaanam kaikkondu. Oru palli paniyunnu ennu karuthi vikaarikku 3 year koodi neettikodukkuka ennathu niyamavirudhamaanu.angane aanenkil mun vikaarimaar aarum evide ninnu poke..ndi varillaayirunnu.Joseph achano..du maathramentha Ethrayum bhoodi.
Oru Holy Mass..nu vannaal mathi .othiri kaaryangal ke...lkaam.sabhayeyum sabha pithaakkanmaareyum parasyamaayi velluvilikkunna reethiyilulla prasthaavanakal.ethokke vishudha vasthram aninju kondaanu ennu o..rkanamEllaathinum oru dhaivavili ve..nam ennuparayunnathu ethra shariyaa.Onnum Kaanaathe ariyaaathe comment parayaruthu.Evide aaraadhanakku varunna shodaree sabha membersino..du chodichaal mathi .achante prasthaavanakal. avar po..lum chodikkum. ethu purohithan thanneyaano ennu. . achanu koodaasha theeyathi vare neettikodukkanam ennu parayunnavar onnu marannu poyi. maasangalku mumpu achan paranjavishudha qurbaana madhye paranja oru vaachakam." njaan evide pally paniyaan onnum vannathalla, athinte aavashyavum enikkilla '' ennaanu, ee achane aano koodaasha theeyathi vare neettikodukkendathu.....? Enee Ningal parayoo.
Kaaryangal enee parayuvaanundu. Kelkaan ningal thayyaaraano....? Ethu thanne dhaaraalam .
I don't want to make a comment either for or against the transfer. But as a christian, looking from a neutral point of view I want to raise a question. If any of you are entrusted with a project, such as construction of a building,as part of your regular job, and during the course of executing the project if you are either transferred or are due to retire, do you think the work will come to a standstill? Do you think your successor will not be able to complete the task? None of us are indispensable. God's work will still continue.
I also feel that we should be a bit more decent in expressing our feelings through the comments posted. If some one cannot accept the growth of "Vinayan" to the present stature it is not the problem of His Grace, but it is the problem of the one who beholds. I am only reminded of the words of the Pharisees about Jesus and His reply given in Mt.13:54-58. ( ..."Is this not the carpenter's son?"....... "A prophet is not without honour except in his own country and in his own house"....). May God grant us wisdom!
Prof.(Dr.) Philipose Joshua
Trivandrum
thomachen...
yennanu palliyilvannu thudangiyathu..???palli siteil poyittundo..?duty timeil?kaaryangalkelkkunnathu pole alla yennu..urappichu parayan kazhiyumo thangalkku?!?mun secretary chanthayil varthamaanam parayunnathine kaalum kashtamaanu vaa thurannal..!!!rak yil..chilar paranju..avaraanu chattukam...yenthaanu athinu artham...??
eni..ee palliyil..(r.a.k.) athu nadakkilla...!!!!
dear Mrs. Sisly Thomson Delhi. u said that...coz u r never a true person..he is a messy person for those who does illegal things.maybe u too belong to that group..maybe achen has warned u for giving undeserved marks for sunday school students..etc sort of things..
The summary of this is indiscipline. This is rampant everywhere.
When our Church was planning to have more close links to the Alexandrian and Aremenian Churches during the time of St.Dionysius of Vattasseril, who said why don’t we try and work closer with people who have left us like the Marthomites and CSIs. Infact Bishops like Late Mar Alexios Theodosius tried to work closer with them, and one of the Marthoma Metropolitan had said, ‘we can always try and work on the faith part and compromise on the same, but when it comes to the attitude of our people to consider others at par, I doubt whether it will work’. Is this not the reason for all the divisions we have?
In short all these divisions we see today is nothing to do with faith. That is only a secondary cause. The primary cause is ego.
Our people are famous for complaining that H.H is like that, H.G is like this and the Achen is no good. But what we are doing is what we are not supposed to. Leave the rules and regulations in its way. Don’t try to twist it around. Keep everybody at their place. An Achen or a Bishop should not be treated as a private property. They are public and when some tries to privatize them, the issue starts.
What is annoying is when an Achen is appointed for a certain period, if he so enthusiastic why can’t he work out a timeframe to showcase his enthusiasm within that timeframe. St.John the Baptist was sent to make way for Jesus. In a way we all have similar roles in life. But the St.John in us never proclaim the coming of Jesus.
Now imagine, if the Achen had a problem and he can’t continue his service, what would have happened?
The RAK church was not his child and it will grow without him or anybody who is following him. The curse we have in our church is we have few clergies who feel that they want the faithful to feel that, ‘after me is all zero’. They make the faithful play around all these games. They want people to worship them and not God and that is the reason we have many Pied Piper Achens
There are cases reported that even doctors while operating a patient have died out of heart attack. Does that mean the patient will also die? These things are definitely like that.
If your Achen was to get a transfer to Dubai Church, do you think this Achen will stay? So why all these dramas? Leave him alone and work with the next Achen and for heaven’s sake remember 3 years from now he goes. Don’t organize any fans association.
So faithful of RAK faithful, RELAX! Find out who is building your house? I don’ t think it is the Lord. CALL HIM, because the Psalmist says, "Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it." Don’t you feel all your labor is in vain? Yes brothers and sisters, take some time to relax and seek the guidance of our Lord.
Thomachen paranjathinodu poornamayum yojikkunnu. Idavakayile aadukale vazhithettathe nadathendunna vicari thanne ingane thudangiyaal eppozhum idavaka janangal nishabdhada palichennu varikilla. eattavum pradhanyam kodukkendunna Sunday School polum achenu nishidhamanu. Otta divasam polum classukalil varikeyo kuttikale prothsahippikeyo cheythathayittu arivilla. St. mary's Orthodox Sunday School kuttikal UAE level competitions and examsil valare mikacha prakadanam kazhcha vekkunnavaranu. Athu pole thanne achente vishudhi paramyathilekku ethiyappol weekly ulla prarthana yogangal polum illatheyayi....
E manalaranyathil vannu kashtapedunna nooru kanakkinu janangal azhchayil orikkal daivasannidhiyil samadhanavum santhoshavum kandethan varumbol methrapolitaykkum, pityhakkanmarkkum sabhakku ethirayi oru groupinte vakthavayi qurbana madhye kuttangalum kuravukalum vilambumbol qurbana anubhavichathinteyo kandathinteyo vishudhi nashtapedukayalle. ithano nishpaksharaya idavaka janangal purohithanil ninnum pratheekshikkendathu???
Athinaal dayavayi ee prashnathinu karyangalude nijasthithi manasilaki sabha nethruthwam oru pariharam kandethanamennu thalparyappedunnu.
Well wisher of RAK SMOC
With reference to the RAK church parish issue, I would like to comment my opinion in general. Even though there may be true facts in their writings but it is not a proper way to react by publishing our issues to the public. It should be resolved within the church management or in the parish general body with the initiative of the diocesan Metropolitan. However in my knowledge these issues are very common in most churches. It is a fact and our tradition that, we meek followers are greatly and blindly revere our Spiritual leaders and never be against whatever decisions they take, even though we have our own suggestions which we sacrifice . But our church leaders are misusing this weakness of the meek followers. Thirumeni should have listened everybody’s grievances and his decision should have been convincible to both groups in the church. Instead HG heard one side and favored the group closer to him. When the Church Head(H.H) and Diocesan Metropolitan(H.G) received a petition signed by 104 members for extending the tenure of the previous vicar untill the consecration of the new church, that would have been permitted. But H.H or H.G had not shown any response to their feelings that is what I have understood after reading all the comments in this blog. We always consider our spiritual leaders are apostle of Jesus who teach us his doctrines, but I am sorry to say that in my experience some of them are far away from what they preach in their sermon. If any problematic issues come in the church it should be resolved immediately by the church leaders with their authority in a logic way instead inducing a law that is not always applicable. Disputes should be solved by respecting views of the majority of the members in a diplomatic way. Church members have more priority in parishes back in Kerala where their views are valued but here (in Gulf) the members are not, as they have a lot of undeniable commitments that curtail and hold them back.
Church should be a place where the new generation can be molded spiritually and mentally. Equality should be maintained. No individuals should suffer and be insulted, rather there must exist a feeling of love for one another and i.e where the main role of Spiritual leaders should be imparted. Our congregation is going to face a huge loss as the young generation would turn away due to these unnecessary litigations within the church.
We need many changes in our church. We have a Malankara association but the association members have no freedom to raise their opinion in the association rather they are only used to caste their votes to elect Thirumeni. It is very necessary to have an advisory board including qualified layman to help Bhava thirumeni in taking decisions on non spiritual matters but here a few secretaries of H.H acting on his behalf , we have heard so many allegations about the secretaries in previous years. We have started a construction of a secretariat building in the year 2003 and enough fund were collected for this purpose from Gulf and other foreign countries but still not completed. It is a best example for the mismanagement of our church. These are few facts out of many with in my mind that I would like to share. God bless our church.
C.G. Varghese
Abu Dhabi
Many writers has expressed their personal views on this issue of transfer of the Vicar from Ras Al-Khaima Orthodox church.
First, let us ask ourselves "Do we have any decipline in our Orthodox family?
Secondly, why do we need to extend the Vicar's term beyond three years?
I think all our Priests are equally capable of managing the church affairs.
After all, it is the member's money to build the church so if one Vicar been transfered to another church and the incoming Vicar will take over the responsibility.
So, I personally feel that there should not be any extension and the Diocesan Metropolitans should give all the priests an equal oppertunity to serve different churches at different places.
A gentle request to Ms.Annie Mary. Please do not initiate any personal attack on any body but you may express your views in a positive or negative manner if you don't agree to any comments.
Please don't forget what happened our church and Priest at RAK during the 80s. The more noice we make, the authorities will wake-up to re-impose their restrictions on all religions.
A gentle request to all the Metropolitans. Please enforce the three year period regulations for all the Vicars with out any exemptions so that we will have full faith in your administration authority otherwise people will start their interpretations as "Money Power.
May God Bless our Orthodox Family around the World.
Dear Mr. Varghese
I frankly appreciate your findings and comments. This issue was to be resolved within our church GB itself. But if come our vicar itself is the villain how come the problem be resolved in a peaceful way? In fact he never was concerend about the spiritual growth of his idavaka rather than his own prestige and prejudices. As a vicar he never tried to find time to resolve this issue despite screwing up more. Personally, I prefer this subject and blogs should be stopped immediately from the public as it would be beneficial to the growth of our church.
Please ...please stop these comments in the name of Mother Mary, our intercessor.
A well wisher
K.T.THOMSON.
RAS AL KHAIMAH.
Mukalil ezuthiyirickunna Thomachen enna vyakthi K.T.THOMSON enna njanalla. Ethil enicku comments onnum parayanilla.
THOMSON.
Dear Mr. Raju,
I read your comments on MO TV, but it is very clear that any member named Raju of our church will not write such lies and insult our Thirumeni so openly with such name and bravery case.
His Grace visited our parish with out any prior information to our vicar, managing committee or any parish members. Somebody from Fujarah Parish informed our vicar that, HG is coming to day and will visit RAK Parish. You are well aware that during the evening Prayer HG declared openly that tomorrow I will conduct the election, even if I could not conduct the Holy Qurbana.
Who invited HG to conduct the Election? as our church was going smoothly without any issues with in the parish. If you are a baptized orthodox Christian can you tell HG conducted the election as per orthodox rules and regulations? The final election eligibility list was signed by HG at 10 PM and put on the board which was suppose to be declared 1 week early as per our constitutional low. This list was not signed by vicar as it was a manipulated list prepared by the then Secretary, Trustee and Auditor. The parish ward list also he signed and put on the notice board along with the eligibility list just previous day of the election. Mr. Raju will you agree with the same procedure, for the next year Election?
The public kept silent as HG came to our church first time and we have to keep our dignity, but don’t expect this silence during next visit. “IF ANY”
It is a common practice that in all churches Sunday school headmaster should hold his posts only for 3 years, since he holding a clergy post he should not interferes any other church administrative affairs. It is clear that our HG came to our parish to bring our Sunday school Headmaster to Managing committee, as he is his class mate (We doubt is he blackmailing the bishop?) As a normal practice every year, during the Election Day, just 1 day early he used to summit his resignation to Vicar from the present post and when the public objects he used to withdraw his resignation secretly from the vicar. This year as per his close friendship with HG he succeeded in his old dream by our HG where HG acted as a dictator, Thus our church lost a sum of almost AED 25,000 (Twenty Five Thousand Dirhams) for becoming headmaster as a committee member and creating an open fighting among parish members. As soon as he entered into the managing committee, he tried to occupy one more post as “Joint Trustee” through the backdoor. His desire to hold multiple post never ends!!!!. But in your message you mentioned that our church brought H.G for consecrate which is absolutely wrong.
How can you write this? Being a little qualified Raju, I feel pity on your lies.How H.G came to Ras Al Khaimah, for consecration on 17th and 18th December 2009,without any knowledge of Bava, Vicar, Managing Committee and church members.
Dear Mr Raju,
Please avoid such kind of indecsent comment("MADHANI") against our H.G. It is with deep sorrow and regret from the parish members that H.G had been called by this name. we respect our H.G, please don't provoke us.
Church Member.
HELLO
DEAR ALL
ALL OF US FORGET ONE THING
WHY THE CHURCH IS BEING BUILT ? WHAT FOR ?
WHO IS A BISHOP ? WHAT FOR ?
WHO IS A PRIEST ?
MANY OF US KNOW VINAYAN WITH LATE FATHER OMMEN (VERY .REV. THEOPHOROS) SO WHAT ?
WE KNOW JACOB TOO !!! WE KNOW THANKACHANS AND KUNJACHANS ….
LAWS ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE SOCIETY,
"SABBATH IS MADE FOR MAN"
PLEASE LISTEN , TO YOU THE BISHOPS
PLEASE READ........ THE LETTER FROM PAUL TO .....TIMOTHY
GIVE RESPECT TO PRIESTS
GIVE AND TAKE IS THE BEST ;
DO U CARE THE PRIEST AND HIS FAMILY ?? JUST CALL ACHAN AND TALK TO HIM PRIVATELY
PERSONALLY WITH TRUE AFFECTION OF A FATHER
HE IS NOT A SEPOY
POOR PRIESTS !!!!!! THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PLEASE THE BISHOPS NOT GOD
DO YOU KNOW THE ALLOWANCES OF A SENIOR PRIEST WITH MUCH EXPERIENCE /PRIESTS IN KERALA PER MONTH ??
ITS JUST 6000 TO 7000
DON’T WE GIVE MORE TO THE BISHOPS FOR A FUNCTION ?
ONE OF OUR BISHOP HAD A BANK BALANCE OF 2 . 5 CRORES
JUST ENQUIRE ABOUT THIS TO THE FAITHFUL BELIEVERS OF OUR CHURCH AT PATHANAMTHITTA ?
I FEEL THAT THE BISHOP FAILED IN READING THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE ...IN THIS CASE
TO THE FAITHFUL BELIVERS....
SEE HE IS A BEGINNER IN THESE TYPE OF ADMINISTRATION
MAY BE IT FAILED . MAY IMPROVE IN COMING DAYS HOPE FOR THE BEST !!
WHO SAID THREE YEARS FOR A PRIEST ? WHO MADE THE RULE / WHERE IS IT DRAFTED ? IS IT APPLICABLE TO BISHOPS , ARE THEY THE PART OR THE CLERGY OR NOT ? AND WHAT IS THEIR ALLOWANCE S ?
ANY RULES ?
WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OR ASSETS OF A BISHOP ?
HEARD THAT OUR LATE THEOLOGIAN BISHOP HAS MORE THAN RS 50 CRORES IN BANK PILED UP ----- AS ROYALTY OF BOOKS --IS THERE ANY LAWS FOR PRIVATE PROPERY AND ASSETS ??
WE KNOW ACHANS WHO ARE PERMANENT FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS IN A PARTICULAR CHURCH,
THE THING IS THAT BISHOPS HAD NOT MUCH POWER OVER A CHURCH IN ANCIENT DAYS . NOW A DAYS THEY ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE MORE ON PEOPLE AND THE PRIESTS.
ACHAN PLEASE RESPECT THE BISHOP
DEAR FRIENDS THE LAYMEN PLEASE RESPECT THE BISHOPS AND ACHANS
JUST PRAY FOR THEM AND THE ENTIRE CHURCH
KING MAKERS PLEASE LISTEN.......
OUR ADMINISTRATION IS FAILING . GIVE A PEACEFUL ATMOSPHERE TO PRESENT BAVA
NEW MALANKARA METROPOLITAN SHOULD TAKE OFFICE IMMEDIATELY.
THIS ISSUE MIGHT HAVE RESOLVED EARLIER .....IF .. ... THERE IS AN EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP AT ............DEVALOKAM
WE NEED PRAYERFUL ADMINISTRATORS AS BISHOPS NOT THEOLOGIANS OR WHO SECURE DOCORATES FROM U S A BUT EXPERIENCE IN A PARISH IS OF MORE IMPORTANCE FOR AN ABLE ADMINISTRATOR PLEASE THINK THAT TOO IN NEXT ELECTION OF BISHOPS
THINK OF A PROBATIONARY PERIOD FOR NEW BISHOPS .
GIVE ENOUGH TRAINING TO THEM AND AFTER THAT POST THEM WITH FULL BISHOPRIC AUTHORITY
THANKS TO M T V AND JOICE FOR THIS WONDERFUL MEDIA
PLEASE BEWARE OF GURGAN AND OTHER SHEEP STEALERS
PRAY FOR THE CHURCH
AND THE R A K EDAVAKA ESPECIALLY !!!!!!!!!
During the general body meeting, when emergency resolution was submitted, only 57 members were present. As you are well aware that, from this, 47 members signed the resolution and passed.
Dear member, for your kind information our members didn’t request H.G, to withdraw the Kalpana. We request to extend the joining date of Fr. Joseph Malayil at Bangalore, from July 15th to October 30th 2010. When almost 90% of the church members request for something which was for the benefit of our church, it is H.G’s responsibility to take care of the church and request.
Regarding the Kalpana from H.G it is our traditional way that the Kalpana should come to our Parish Priest first. But during Joseph Achen’s tenure, almost all the Kalpanas, were reaching to unauthorized hands and they use to say to Joseph Achen that there is a Kalpana from H.G. We here by request our higher authorities that these types of practices will lead to dangerous disasters in our religious organizations and it will de-motivate the true believers of church. We also would like to inform you that, the strength of orthodox church, depends on the parish members (“Vyakthi Undangilae Edavakayullu, Edavakayundangilla Bhadhrasanam undaku, Bhadhrasanam undangilae Sabha undaku…” ) Please remember that this needs to be kept for the smooth existence of the Orthodox Believers Community.
Dear Mr. Raju,
As you are well aware of our Trustee, during the year 2006, has he deposited any money in the bank? For the whole year 2006, he was handling the parish financial aspects without any proper bank transactions. He even blocked the auditor to submit an audit report in the GB, and our Delhi Diocese Metropolitan issued a Kalpana against him not to enter such people for Trustee post, and unfortunately that Kalpana was “swallowed” (MUKKY) by Trustee and Fr.K.J Jacob. If you deny this, we can produce the Kalpana in the next GB. And today we have an account with the bank, and the same Trustee is running now, why he is not depositing the church money in the bank, especially for the month of June 2010. Even the MG committee members did not know the exact bank balance. Even the draft taken for Fr.Joseph Malayil 75,000, is not through the bank account and we would like to know what the source of this amount is.? Is the current financial budget approved by GB? Trustee is running with an unapproved budget, and he is now challenging the GB that it is the mistake of the GB for the approval of the budget.
If the GB wants to approve the budget, then call the GB and approve the budget. Is this the traditional behavior of a Trustee? He is arrogant. If anybody can deny these things, please reply. We can provide proof for everything mentioned above.
A Palli Member.
All this episodes can be resolved if our acting Bava, Apram Thirumeni (Sabu Kuriakose Achen), should might have responded in the appropriate time.
Dear Raju,
Your request for the track record for Fr. Joseph Malayil was highly appreciated, at the same time, we can take the same of our Diocese Metropolitan, Priests, Parish Members including you.
Dear Mr. Raju,
You are cursing about the peace and progress of the church, is there any church in orthodox denomination that the Sunday school headmaster holding such a clergy post using unparliamentarily words in the GB. If you deny, we can publish the correct word which was used.
Dear Vattapambil Achen,
Kalpana kallel pillarkunnathallallo, now we remember the recommendations of Justice V.R Krishnayier, submitted to Govt of Kerala. Whether this kalpana will stand in any court.? And the power of the GB is given by the Supreme court not by the hirercy of the church, we strongly recommend to reconstitute the constitution of Malakara Orthodox Church. The Malankara Association have only right to vote for election of Bishops and remuneration is a vegetable meal. (KADHA ARIYATHAE ACHEN ADARUTHAE)
The absence of Joseph Achen will not affect the church construction,but the liability the church going to face will be more than our expectations. and we pray to God that our new Achen will face the challenge and our God will give all strenght for the same... the construction of the church is not on the basis of turn key but labour contract basis.; Our Achen was the facility manager there, who will take the same challenge now?
HELLO
DEAR ALL
ALL OF US FORGET ONE THING
WHY THE CHURCH IS BEING BUILT ? WHAT FOR ?
WHO IS A BISHOP ? WHAT FOR ?
WHO IS A PRIEST ?
MANY OF US KNOW "VINAYAN AS A KOCHU - PAYYAN " WITH LATE FATHER OMMEN (VERY .REV. THEOPHOROS) SO WHAT ?
WE KNOW JACOB TOO !!! WE KNOW THANKACHANS AND KUNJACHANS ….
LAWS ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE SOCIETY,
“ SABBATH IS MADE FOR MAN “
PLEASE LISTEN , TO YOU THE BISHOPS
PLEASE READ THE LETTER OF PAUL TO TIMOTHY
GIVE RESPECT TO ACHANS
GIVE AND TAKE IS THE BEST ;
DO U CARE THE PRIEST AND HIS FAMILY ?? JUST CALL ACHAN AND TALK TO HIM PRIVATELY
PERSONALLY WITH TRUE AFFECTION OF A FATHER
HE IS NOT A SEPOY
POOR PRIESTS !!!!!!
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PLEASE THE BISHOPS .......
NOT GOD.......
DO YOU KNOW THE ALLOWANCES OF A SENIOR PRIEST..... HAVING ..........YEARS OF EXPERIENCE /PRIESTS IN KERALA PER MONTH ??
ITS JUST 6000 TO 7000 ....... HOW CAN A FAMILY SURVIVE WITH THAT ? WHY THIS ACHAN WANTED TO BE THERE FOR FEW MOTHS MORE ??WIL AND PLEASURE OF THE BISHOP IS OF MORE IMPORTANCE ..... I FEEL....
DON’T WE GIVE MORE TO THE BISHOPS FOR A FUNCTION THAN THE PAY OF A PRIEST PER MONTH ??
ONE OF OUR BISHOP HAD A BANK BALANCE OF 2 . 5 CRORES
JUST ASK THE FAITHFUL BELIEVERS OF OUR CHURCH AT PATHANAMTHITTA ?
I FEEL THAT THE BISHOP FAILED IN READING .....THE MINDS... OF THE PEOPLE ..... IN THIS CASE
SEE HE IS A BEGINNER IN THESE TYPE OF ADMINISTRATION
MAY BE IT FAILED . MAY IMPROVE IN COMING DAYS HOPE FOR THE BEST !!
WHO SAID THREE YEARS ? WHO MADE THE RULE / WHERE IS IT DRAFTED ? IS IT APPLICABLE TO BISHOPS , ARE THEY THE PART OR THE CLERGY OR NOT ? AND WHAT IS THEIR ALLOWANCE S ?
ANY RULES ?WE ARE STRICT IN CERTAIN MATTERS NOT ALWAYS, WE ACT , WE PRETENT TO BE REASONABLE ? TO AVOID CERTAIN PEOPLE THIS IS THE CURSE OF OUR CHURCH , .....
BEGINING FROM FR. C.M.THOMAS TO C. G MATHEW..
OR .....M.O.JOHN AND GURGAN
AND IN OTHER ISSUES TOO ENFORCE RULES AND REGULATIONS ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF ....KUTTAPPANS....
WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OR ASSETS OF A BISHOP ?
HEARD THAT OUR LATE THEOLOGIAN BISHOP HAS MORE THAN RS 50 CRORES IN BANK PILED UP ----- AS ROYALTY OF BOOKS --IS THERE ANY LAWS FOR PRIVATE PROPERY AND ASSETS ??
WE KNOW ACHANS WHO ARE PERMANENT FOR MORE THAN 50 YRS IN A PARTICULAR CHURCH,
THE THING IS THAT BISHOPS HAD NOT MUCH POWER OVER A CHURCH IN ANCIENT DAYS . NOW A DAYS THEY ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE MORE ON PEOPLE AND THE PRIESTS.
ACHAN PLEASE RESPECT THE BISHOP
DEAR FRIENDS THE LAYMEN PLEASE
RESPECT THE BISHOPS AND ACHANS
JUST PRAY FOR THEM AND THE ENTIRE CHURCH
OUR ADMINISTRATION IS FAILING .
GIVE A PEACEFUL ATMOSPHERE TO PRESENT BAVA
NEW MALANKARA METROPOLITAN SHOULD TAKE OFFICE IMMEDIATELY.
THIS PROBLEM SHOULD HAVE RESOLVED EARLIER .. IF THERE …IS... AN ABLE ADMINITRATOR AT …. DEVALOKAM.
THINK OF A PROBATIONARY PERIOD FOR NEW BISHOPS .
GIVE ENOUGH TRAINING TO THEM AND AFTER THAT POST THEM WITH FULL BISHOPRIC AUTHORITY
BISHOPS FORM THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE PULLING STRINGS TO RETURN TO KERALA .. EVEN FORM U.S.A TOO WHY ???
KING MAKERS SELECT THOSE WHO HAD
SHOWN GOOD TRACK RECORD IN PARISH
ADMINISTRATION
......... AND HAVING .... SOME
COMMON SENSE TOO.............
AND NOT DOCTORATE FROM U S A….. ???
SEE HOW FR. C M THOMAS BECOME .......H.B.THOMAS 1 WITHIN 30 YEARS.....
THIS IS DUE TO THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE TOO
MAY BE IN COMING YEARS... FR. C.G MATHEW TOO.. ....COME ....UP
THIS SHOULD BE A LESSON TO OUR FATHERS
THANKS TO M T V AND JOICE FOR THIS WONDERFUL MEDIA
PLEASE BEWARE OF GURGAN AND OTHER SHEEP STEALERS
PRAY FOR THE CHURCH
AND THE R A K EDAVAKA ESPECIALLY !!!!!!!!!
dear mr. santhosh..
even during last GB trustee told.."ethonnum ente pani alla" when a question was asked about the budget!
Mone Abby sen
I have been wearing the robe of priest since June 1990.I know what to reply,where to reply,when to reply and how to reply.Kindly refer my comments to Alices post
Dear Abbysen,santosh, raju, yohannan, tomachen and all...please stop this absurd comments which is not giving you any values in front of the public. Everyone of us will have to return back to our home country today or tomorrow. From these comments we can understand that you all only wish to bind up the new church construction and carryout our worships in the hidden way as years back. Please have patience and work together....leaders are chosen to lead the edavaka not to fight with each other. Why r u fighting with your brothers and calling you as christians????
Pleas stop this now...don't you feel ashamed???? Fr. Joseph Malayil has given enough of his contribution to create the fights and the main soothradharan of these blogs. Now that he has left and we are still here fighting....
Stop this ... for God's sake
well wisher
Dear All,
Please to take all of your attention about another matter which is not discussed yet?
Why metropolitan is so much angry against the priest and the parish GB?
Why HG allowed him up to June second week?
The Answer is clear The asst. metropolitan of Bangalore Videsi Thirumani(as HG him selves introducing) /sponsored bishop (as other members saying) can only be in that position up to August last week.
So HG wants to consecrate before losing the position. So he forced some of the Parish members to arrange on June or July which the general body rejected. A person who stayed at June, July and August in GCC cannot accept this proposal. 45 to 50 degree hot and the vacation time of the families.
So HG became more angry to the priest (HG is already be angry to the priest that he pointed the unlawful things happened in the Annual GB which ended in an election)that didn’t support and didn’t force the GB to take a favorable decision for HG.
This is the issue that HG didn’t reply for the request of GB of RAK church.
But here I would like to remind HG that this is a church in the name of mother Mary. HG him selves came and forced to arrange an election in the GB even not taking a step to avoid it. And the explanation was election was common in church. Everybody is explaining from his own experience.
I would like to tell you that as Mr. Raju commented the church General body didn’t passed any resolution against Church or metropolitan. A resolution was passed in general body to send a request to metropolitan from church for the extension of Vicar Transfer.
As Mr. Raju said the resolution shall be allowed by the chairperson and maybe he is not aware (sleeping or pretended that sleeping) about the matter and it was supported by the majority of the general body.
Mr. Raju (K U) commented that priest had received the purse given by the well wishers of the RAK church. Is there any problem for that? Is it a bribe? Why he given back the purse of RAK church that the unofficial GB held for discussing about the matter of purse,the Trustee of the parish commented the liabilities of church that to avoid the purse and the comments which will hurt a greedy less priest like Fr Joseph (Even the financial side of Fr is silent by Mr. Raju , Thomachan , Antrish and everybody ). So he given back.
Dear Dr. Philipose I will remind that 99% of work was finished and only waiting for the consecration. Means such a decision was purposeful and with hidden agenda.
Dear THOMACHAN achanna anusarikatta nee ulla sabhiyil pinne thirumania anisarikatha achen kanathilliyo da uva .nee enna varthamanama parayunnathu . Prathyakichu achenna anusarikandta ennu thirumani ganangalkku nirdhasam (kalpana ennu paranju athitta vila kalyunnila) koduthal . JOJO vijarichal thirumani avam enna stithi sabhayillullapol pinna ninna polulla achena anusarikatta aimaniyayum thirumaniya anusarikattha achenayum catholikkayayum bharanakadanayyayum angigarikattha thirumeniyayum okka sabhayil kanam. Pottada uva kalikalama allatha endu parayana ketto. Nee vashamikanda
Sorry everybody expects answer in their own standard.
Yes, I am fully agreed with Gregorios.
Please stop this ... for God's sake
and let us pray for our new church.
We Ras Al Khaimah church members request to Malankara Orthodox TV to Kindly remove this Blogs from the site.
Yes, I am fully agreed with Geogrous.
Please stop this ... for God's sake
Kindly remove this Blogs from the site.
asha and sicly...whos this 'we'?i as a member too in rak edavaka appreciate m tv for this courageos move.
let people know whats happening here in r.a.k.!how high official with minority support plays double game.edavaka membersinu oru vilayum illa!avarude apekshekka oru kadalasinte polum vila illa...all they want is some dirhams from this church.whn achen returned the purse givn to him for church construction, a thirumeni hav asked y he gav that back to the church..he shud hav given it to devalokam. that means..palli panikku cash nammal vere undakikollum angottu kittanullathu angottu varatte yennu!!!
well being a memeber in a church in U A E let me just say few words of my own not to offend anyone. It is true there had been incident of extension of a term ut it will be better to stick to a specific tenure which is only 3 years. Mean time it would be a great favour if mtv and my fellow orthodox members remember this is not our country and other parish is also enjoying the freedom of worship in this country.
If the situation is so conterversy why don't the church think of a visit visa for the so called extended tenure and do the needful. Any way this is going for a long way which is not controling our tounges why we dig the past of any let all this be God willing.
shaji
Dear all,
WOLF LEFT THE VILLAGE,STILL THE DOGS ARE BARKING
A CHURCH MEMBER
Fr Malayil Achan’s Transfer
It is decided by St Mary, He has no right to stay in RAK St Mary’s church. This may be a decision of God. He purposely postponed the Church ‘kudasha’ two times, We have done hard work for the ‘kudasha’. It almost completed and handover to the managing committee. He thought he can extend his residence 3 more years. He worked in the church site only three months. His behavior was good for some people and he didn’t like some other people. He work hard last year for election also. I never saw priest canvassing the vote for the managing committee election. God interrupted in there also. There also he couldn’t win. He gathered some people and strengthen them in the GB or MC. They have only power to talk. Whenever somebody else come up and start to talk against his opinion immediately he start to Shout and say “ sit down” this is his nature and attitude. We lost the discipline of the church.
On June 25th Friday he was acted as a mad person, he lost his control. This was happened before completing the H. Qurbana and he was wearing ‘kappa’ . We afraid to attend the Holy Qurbana. Anyway God acted through our Bishop or whoever took initiative . We are praying to God to change him as a priest not as a ‘gunda’. I am thanking to God once more. Jesus still alive.
dear jonoy,
Edayan nannaayenkile aadukal nannaavoo. Joseph achen ennumuthalaa poriveyil kollaan thudangiyathu..? transfer kalpana kayyil kittiyathil pinne alle...? athum vaayikkaathe lohayude keeshayil ettukondu nadakkuka allaarunno...? kazhinja varrsham chilarokke paranjathu achane vishwasikkaruthu, ennu parayunnathalla naaale parayunnathu....ennokkeyaanu ennnu.aa vyakthikal okkeya eppol achanu jai vilikkunnathu...? managing committee palliyil vachu koodiyappol achan enthaanu kammittikkaare kaanichu paranjathu ennu koodi ezhuthatte.njaan pinne ethu thaangano.........? ennaanu. ethaano purohithan...?ethu Palliyil vachu oru purohithan parayenda kaaryamaano. nalla reethiyil oru yaathra ayappu nalkaamennu karuthiyappol anneravum thirumenimaarkum sabhakkum ethiraayi velluvili nadathiyitta poyathu.thanneyalla m/c. santhoshathode kodutha thuka edavakayodulla sneham kondu thirike nalki...aahaa.....ethra mahathaaya kaaryam..appozhum edavakakku nazhtame undaayullo.kaaranam..( kazhinja kure maasangalaaayi site incharge ennu paranju 3000/-AED vaangunnundaayirunnu. appol veyilu kondathinu gunam undu.) sathyaavastha onnum aarum ariyillennaa vichaaram.evideya vikari palli paniyude site..il poyathinu salary extra vaangiyittullathu. Aa vaangiya thukaye..kkaal kuravaanu purse money. kooduthal onnum ezhithikkalle..koottare...sathyam palathum ezhuthiyaal.... (seminaary life thottu engo..ttu ) Ve...da athu pourohithya padaviye thanne baadhikkum.Delhi diocese..il vachu achen kaattikkoottiya ko..praayangal enthaanennu...Oru sisily ezhuthiyathu vaayichille ........? Aa thomachen ezhuthiya pole kadha ariyaathe aattam kaanaruthu. Kazhinja pothuyogathil kuppaayam madakki kuthi chunayullavan vaadaa...adikkaaanaanenkil njaanum thayyaaranennu paranju velluvilikkunnathu kandu....Ethaanno pourohithya vrithy....?Vishudha Qurbana kazhinju enthum vilichu parayaan madilkkatha achane Nilakku nirthaan sabha nethrithwam thayyaaraavanam. Ella enkil.....
Edavakayil oru achen vannaaal oru convention vachaal M/C ariyilla. athu cho..dichaal njana cheythathu. enthaa cheyyaan pattunnathu ennu vachaal cheyyu . athinidayil lock cheythittirunna palliyude Notice board,..inte lock polichu achante swantham kalpana edaanum madichilla. Enthinadhikam parayunnu... Malankara sabhayi engane oru purohithan undaayallo ennu kochu kunjungal vare cho..dichu thudangiyirunnu..
2009 ..le X'mas carol yaathrayil ottaveedu pol..lum visit cheyyaan achan vannilla. pakaram vote pidikkaan pala veedukalum kayarunnundaayirunnu. X'mas sandesham vote aayi maarippoyi.. Enthu cheyyaam.sabhayude oru gathike..du.
well said Joy and Tomachen... truth cannot be hidden whoever may bark justice will be for the truth only.
The first person who had posted this blog is reponsible for all the devilish acts of our church together with the priest. (What is your GAIN sir?????)Now in the last do not come up with mudanthan nyayangal to make yourself HOLY.... How could you people go and open your mouth for Holy Qurbana every Friday or whenever there is a Qurbana. Please have it with full respect and divinity. The list of members who signed for the priest to return is also a fabricated one....as you all can see that there are some amounts specified on it. Hey u all dishonest and the evils...please wait...the wrath of God is very near to you... try to stop these comments...if your intention is bad, you will not be spared....for heaven's sake...stop it please...
A well wisher
Ras al khaimah idavakayil ithrayum prashnangal undaayi athu ellaa bhaagathu ninnumullavar arinjathinaal, aa idavagayile oru angamaaya njaan chila vasthuthagal ariyikkuvaan aagrahikkunnu.
June 25th Friday, kurbana kushesham, palli secretary athinu munpulla Friday nadanna pothuyogathinte (achante sent off )theerumanam ariyikkum ennu achan paranju. Secretary athu nayaparamaayi alla paranjathu-achanu kodukkunna paisa aayirunnu samsaara vishayam. (enthaanu paranjathennu- exact aayi ezhuthiukayaanenkil ivide athu pinneyum prashnamaagum). Ithu kurbana kazhinju kaimuthinu thottumunpu nadanna sambavamaanu. Appol pirakil irunna chila vyakthigal athine ethirkkugayum, pallikkagathu sharikkum paranjaal sthreegalum, kuttigalum okke irikkunnu, kubana madhye aanu ennulla ormayillaathe oru niyama sabha pole vaak tharkkamundaayi.
(SAADHAARANA POTHUYOGANGALLKKU, BHAYANKARA ADI NADAKKAARUNDU ENNU PARAYAARUNDU, ITHU NERIL KAANUNNATHU IPPOZHAANU).
Madbahaayil sushrooshakku ninnirunnayaal polum ee tharkkathil chodyam cheyyunnathu kandu. Kurbana ennullathu purushanmaarkku, enthaanennariyilla, pakshe sthreekalkku athu valare bhaya bhakthiyodeyum, vishwasathodeyum kaanunna oru sushrooshayaanu. Prathyegichum kochu kuttilgale naam kurbana enthaanennum, athil bhakthiyode sambanthikkunnathinte importance, okkeyum paranju koduthu valarthunnathaanu.
Annathe Friday aarude bhaagathaanu thettengilum, kurbanayil ingane oru scene undaagaan paadillayirunnu. Saadhaarana palliyil kurbana kku pogumbol ellavarum kurbana kramam kondanu pogunnathu. Annedivasam palliyil oral chila reports aayittaanu kurbanakku kayariyathu, athu kaanichu trusty ye chodyam cheyyunnathu kandu. Ithokke nerathe plan cheythathalle ennu thonnipogum.
Nombinidayillulla adiyum, vazhakkum okke kaaranamaano ennariyilla, saadharana visheshaavasarangalil kaalathu kurbana vackaan sougaryamillaathathu kaaranam thalennu vykittu kurbana vakkaarundu. June 28th nu ivide kurbanayum undaayilla. Athinte aavashyam iniyilla ennu thonniyittundaagum.
Ee palliyile angamaayittu 6-7 yrs ayathaanu njangal. Oru kaaryam janangalude shradhayil peduthuvaan njaan agrahikkunnu.
Oru achen idavagayile ellaa janangaleyum oru pole kaanendayaalaanu. Chila aalukalodu achenu prathyega thaathparyamundaayirunnu ennu parayunnathu shariyaanu. Idavagayil vannashesham 1 time house visit nadathi yennallaathe pinne achen jnangalude veedugalonnum kayariyittilla. Daiva shushrooshakkaayittu varunnayaal, janangalode valuppa cheruppamillaate idapedentayaalaanu. Kashtathagal ullathu achanodu parayuvaanulla swathanthryam, janangallku, undaayirikkanam. Chila aalugale okke achan vilichu palliyil varunnathine kurichu ormippikkumaayirunnu. Chilarude adukkal thirinju nokkilla- avar 2-3 wks chennillenkilum enthaanu karanam ennupolum anveshichittilla. Kudumbathil maranamo, asughamo vannaal polum achan enthaanu ennu anveshichittilla. (achane idavaangam ariyichittundu).
A well wisher
Ras al khaimah idavakayil ithrayum prashnangal undaayi athu ellaa bhaagathu ninnumullavar arinjathinaal, aa idavagayile oru angamaaya njaan chila vasthuthagal ariyikkuvaan aagrahikkunnu.
June 25th Friday, kurbana kushesham, palli secretary athinu munpulla Friday nadanna pothuyogathinte (achante sent off )theerumanam ariyikkum ennu achan paranju. Secretary athu nayaparamaayi alla paranjathu-achanu kodukkunna paisa aayirunnu samsaara vishayam. (enthaanu paranjathennu- exact aayi ezhuthiukayaanenkil ivide athu pinneyum prashnamaagum). Ithu kurbana kazhinju kaimuthinu thottumunpu nadanna sambavamaanu. Appol pirakil irunna chila vyakthigal athine ethirkkugayum, pallikkagathu sharikkum paranjaal sthreegalum, kuttigalum okke irikkunnu, kubana madhye aanu ennulla ormayillaathe oru niyama sabha pole vaak tharkkamundaayi.
(SAADHAARANA POTHUYOGANGALLKKU, BHAYANKARA ADI NADAKKAARUNDU ENNU PARAYAARUNDU, ITHU NERIL KAANUNNATHU IPPOZHAANU).
Madbahaayil sushrooshakku ninnirunnayaal polum ee tharkkathil chodyam cheyyunnathu kandu. Kurbana ennullathu purushanmaarkku, enthaanennariyilla, pakshe sthreekalkku athu valare bhaya bhakthiyodeyum, vishwasathodeyum kaanunna oru sushrooshayaanu. Prathyegichum kochu kuttilgale naam kurbana enthaanennum, athil bhakthiyode sambanthikkunnathinte importance, okkeyum paranju koduthu valarthunnathaanu.
Annathe Friday aarude bhaagathaanu thettengilum, kurbanayil ingane oru scene undaagaan paadillayirunnu. Saadhaarana palliyil kurbana kku pogumbol ellavarum kurbana kramam kondanu pogunnathu. Annedivasam palliyil oral chila reports aayittaanu kurbanakku kayariyathu, athu kaanichu trusty ye chodyam cheyyunnathu kandu. Ithokke nerathe plan cheythathalle ennu thonnipogum.
Nombinidayillulla adiyum, vazhakkum okke kaaranamaano ennariyilla, saadharana visheshaavasarangalil kaalathu kurbana vackaan sougaryamillaathathu kaaranam thalennu vykittu kurbana vakkaarundu. June 28th nu ivide kurbanayum undaayilla. Athinte aavashyam iniyilla ennu thonniyittundaagum.
A well wisher
PLEASE PRAY FOR THE CHURCH AND ITS MEMBERS. JOICE, PLEASE STOP THIS TOPIC
Ithannu orthadox karude kuzhappam.pithakkanamre anusarikkath sabhamakkal.king ne polle perumarunna achanmarum, thirumenimarrum. njan enna bhavam annu ellavarkum.vattasheril thirumeniye pollulla mahanmare kandupadikkuka.
jiju
sharjah
pope vathicanil ninne RAK paliyil land chaythathu arinjilalo....itelam joys and raju aanoo ariyichathu.....popea katha ariyathe adaruthu popea.......
Dear Joy & Pop,
Seems you both spent too much time to write the article in MOTV. You use this language to show your illiteracy. Next time (if) please use English or Malayalam.
Thank you for bringing out some secret news which somebody was hiding. Means you are very close with out Finance Convener and we can smell who this Joy is? I can’t believe that our Const. Finance Convener Mr. Stephen paid Dhs. 3,000.00 to Achan for site supervision for several months; if he paid he did a very big mistake by misusing his position. Because in my knowledge there is no decision in Const. meeting, Fin. Comm., Managing Committee or GB to pay this amount to Achan or appointment of Achan as site supervisor. So Mr. Stephan has to answer for this, we can say it will be a big crime with our church during the next meeting or GB. I appreciate your courage.
Achan’s reply to you when you ask about Conventions in the Managing Committee, you proved that you are one MC member for 2009, and you proved that last year there was no Managing Committee in our church.
More over if Achen unlocked the notice board, it I the mistake of trustee and Secretary. Achan has the right to keep one se of all keys of a church. Remember he is the president of out church. If trustee or secretary didn’t give the keys, he has the right to open it.
During Xmas carol, in last few years, every member of our church knows that the new face holding the big collection bag will be Trustee candidate for the next year. It seems you want to put this blame on Achan in order to protect your face. This is why this year Achen reduced his trips for carol.
You mentioned Achen used to keep more close with some members, dear this is common. What about our HG? It is common fact which knows that HG came to save one of his classmates and how much our church spent for that? If you compare this with Achen, you know he never wasted one Dirham of church.
Dear Pop, the custodian of Holy services is vicar. He has the right to control it. So better don’t enter to Madbaha to control Achen. Seems this is what happened and you got fired from Achen!!!!!!!
You mentioned that you are a member since 6-7 years, Please note that there are some members who crossed more that 35 years, kindly keep an eye on them and try to learn some good behaviors in the church and change yourself. You will find a big difference with respect to character with them. Try to compare…..
A Church Member.
Santhosh
Dear George,
Regarding your opinion about our Vicar that he purposely postponed the consecration of church two times, May I remind you some thing; only 10% of our parish members want to do the consecration before completion of church, parsonage and compound wall. From this 8% are just “Kadha Ariyathe aadunnu” group; rest 2% has to support our Acting HG because they have to compensate the benefits they got from HG.
Why can’t you wait till the completion of all works? We had a GB decision that the church consecration will be done only after completion of all the above mentioned three works and the same report have been approved by our HG. If you have any doubt please contact our church secretary. By this you also proved that you belong to the 8% group.
Can you just explain what benefit our church will get if we consecrate now? Now we have a nice church until August 2011. Think about the present climate, can you stay at our church compound for 1 minute with your children? Is there any place for ladies to sit with young children? Even inside your room can you sit five minutes without AC? 40% of our members are on vacation and their contribution to church construction was also valuable. So my dear, use your brain, don’t be a political supporter. Just for a Biriyani and Rs.100 Kee Jayee for any body. This will be benefited by some one else. So now at this point we can think of our church and no need to think about Achan or Thirumeni.
We requested to extend the service of vicar till OCT 2010, only because of the fact that Joseph Achen’s has close contact, good rapport and excellent relationship with so many people in UAE who can help us in providing financial support for our church construction. It is a true fact that we got maximum collection when we went out with Joseph Achen for raising the funds. We also got construction materials free of cost (about Dhs. 400,000.00) through Achen’s contacts, Examples are Interlock, main door, Blocks, electrical items and so many other items. Any one can refuse or forget this? Please think once the difference when you approach some one for collection with Achen and the situation without Achen.
You mentioned that Achen’s behavior in GB, is there any snake whch will not bite if you kick it ( Chavittiyal kadikatha Pampundooo Sahodaraaa?) Last GB achen do mentioned about the behavior of our beloved Trustee and secretary for the year 2009 and trustee of 2010 also. Why you forget to write about them? You want me to tell this in public? Seems either you are afraid of them or you got one extra Biryani….
Santhosh
Dear Joyichaya,
I am also was in last GB of RAK church. What you said? Priest shouted! You and your supporters shouted that you will beat the person who presented the resolution before hearing it(You guys already did it to a senior member in GB held before that one) and the priest warned that anybody do any illegal and indecent activities he will be forced to inform the local authorities. I would like to inform all the readers that, the people who against the priest will overcome the entire dispute by shouting and using abuse words to the person questing against them. But they cannot succeed with this trick against the priest. So you (joy) yourselves think that Priest is a better gunda than you people. He faced problem for 6 years for the Church allegation with the pathrikese (as he himself said) so he will not fear for you people’s shouting. Somebody, even in GB, thinking that they are manager of the GB and all other attendees are their sub ordinates. So please Mr. joy if you are behaving like a gunda against the other members you will feel that the person who not accepting your shouting is also a gunda. Change yourselves better to change others. (Kadakalarinju thanna attangallu kannunnathatu entaappi)
And also the allegation against HG is still standing. What do you think if a GB sending a letter about any query to the high authorities? It is still official and if it cannot be accepted by the higher please inform back your request is rejected. You are telling that priest went for vote campaign. If it happened, as per the diocesan metropolitans view, it is not a big deal because already HG explained that the Voting is common in Church. If voting common, even violating church law, campaign will be also common. HG came without officially informing the church, for conduct voting, then the priest will go for campaign. As you said Edayan nannaayenkile aadukal nannaavoo. If the diocesan metropolitan is coming and staying in five star hotel and receiving purse for making somebody as trustee and committee member, it will be a disaster for the diocesan.
The problem is created by the decision made by HG with partiality. Mr. Joy even you, a single person, given more that AED 1,000/- to the priest who rejected the (kavar for personal kudashas). I now even you thomachan , chackochan, joyichan ,chandychan and all echans cannot make such a statement from heart that the priest is greedy. Everybody like you, for justifying own side will state now. Let it goes on. The people who know Achen will not believe this lies.
What is the justification for trustee spending the parish fund without the approval of annual budget?
What is the justification for keeping the fund without depositing in the bank?
What is the justification for hitting a senior member in the general body?
What is the justification for trying to arrange consecration of the church in June, July (even in the absence of Church Construction Committee Conveyor)?
What is the justification for any high authorities of church not replying for a query from a parish GB?
What is the justification for HG conduct voting even violating the norms of Church without trying for a solution?
What is the justification for HG he himself nominated a committee member and forcefully taking the approval of GB in 18th Dec 2009?
What is the justification for a secretary (for the period 2009) shouting and trying to hit a Vicar?
What is the justification for a trustee explaining that any proposal from him should be approved by GB?
And if priest receiving AED 3000 is a big lie.
Prove it if you can
A CHURCH MEMBER
being a woman, I am not allowed to enter the altar.
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