END RESULT OF A BLUNDER DONE BY GREAT PAULOSE MAR GREGORIOSE THIRUMENI IN MAKING THIS LUDHIANA CMC EMPLOYEE AS A PRIEST WHO THINKS HE IS BORN TO BECOME A METRAN BY HOOK OR CROOK.AS HE BETRAYED HIS OWN CHURCH HIS DAYARA'S NAME SHOULD BE " Iscoriot Jude's dayara.
H.E.Mor Moosa Goorgan Sevarios cannot manage the affairs of his own Church in Germany/Europe.How does he think these new Bishops of him can manage church affairs in Malankara? H.E Mor Sevarios cannot create a good image in his own country and he is expecting to create unity in Malankara by consecrating Unwanted/unnecessary bishops.New Bishops for what purpose? Why can't H.E Mor severios create diocesefor his church appoint bishops there and ordain priests for Europe,South america,North america and Africa? Can This New Mathews Mar Gregorios go work in Africa as he was in Ethiopea? "Vinasekalae Vipareetha budhi"!
Why MTV blaming CG for cheque issue. In mostof the construction activites either house construction or any other constructions some times there must be disput with contractors so we can treat this case like one .More over Antoioc Orthodox Churchs moves are good and real threat for Puthenkurishu team and Orthodox church.
A civil case has nothing to do with Spiritual Consecration of C.G. Mathews Prist into Bishop.Bishops consecrationsare done publically and not secretly as thsese consecrations are for thost who work under the darkness.As I told earlier Thsese are power hungry people and Foxes appearing like sheeps !
I know mr Babu(C G) when he was the typist at the delhi orthodox centre. For that matter he was efficient in typing replies to letters to gregorios thirumeni which nmber some time into hundreds when his grace comes back from foreign tours.I also remember his seeking blessings from thirumaeni at the road when thirumeni was to go abroad and he was to join seminary shortly. watching the scene from first floor the three semmassans' (now all are senior priests)comments have come true. He has dithched the church and have become 'para'to the entire church.I too had in my mind with such attitude, how he had been selected for seminary by thirumeni
ഗുര്ഗന്‍ ഇന്ത്യയില്‍ തന്നെ ഉണ്ടോ? പോയെങ്കില്‍ ഒരു മെത്രാന്‍ പട്ടം പോസ്ടല്‍ ആയിട്ടു മേടിക്കാം. രാജകുമാരി മെത്രാന്‍ ഒരു പള്ളിയില്‍ കുര്‍ബാന അര്‍പ്പിച്ചു എന്ന് മംഗളം പത്രത്തില്‍ വായിച്ചു. ഏതു പള്ളിയിലാണ്?
It is not much damaging for the Orthodox Church as you perceived. It is good that criminals could find solace in something
The fact is that , it is severly damaging for the hope of Malankara (Romo) syrians. Thye had hoped that people who are fed up with the church quarrel will join their reeth.
Catholic Church is facing a sever threat from pentacostal who have become active in the dsitricts of Ernakulam and Thrissur. In fact the Catholic Church can only blame themslves for opening this floodgate. Their charismatic movement is leading a massive conversion to new generation chuches. second is the loss of morality among the priests...
Antioch anointed HB Thomas bava to trouble Catholicose of the east. Now (if) Gurgan becoming a patriarch is trouble for Antioch. Also, jacobiet Catholicose also faces threat. Even his churches can break away from Puthenkurissu and join Gurgan's (society).
JOSHUACHAYO appol kanjikuzhi catholica ya maranno ? atho athina oru catholica yayi ningal polum angekarichittilla? pinne arabikalodu athraku virodhamanenkil ningaluda methran mar ittirikunna kuppayam uri vachu kavi vasthram dharichu ramayanem vayikan para annittu para indian orthadox sabha anennu .appol alukal ningal parayunnathu kalkanenkilum kootakum
നാണമില്ലല്ലോ സുഹൃത്തേ. എന്തെങ്കിലും പറഞ്ഞാല്‍ അപ്പോള്‍ പറയും ഞങ്ങളുടെ ആരാധനയും, ഭാഷയും , വേഷ ഭൂഷാതികളും ശീമയില്‍ നിന്നും അല്ലെ എന്ന്. അത് കൊണ്ടാണ് പറയുന്നത് " വിവരമില്ലാത്തവര്‍ " ആണ് യാക്കോബായക്കാര്‍ എന്ന്. പാവങ്ങള്‍, അവരുടെ അച്ഛന്‍ മാരുടെ ഡ്രസ്സ്‌ സിരിയക്കാരുടെ എന്നാണ് ധരിച്ചു വച്ചിരിക്കുന്നത്.
What is called as Syrian traditon now is not exactly Sysrian. My dear friend should be better informed about that. For example: Liturgy it has coem from Greek. So you think you will be slave to Greeks? Antiochs are Arabs. They have learned Syriac just like we learn syriac here in kerala. Syriac a semetic language close to Aramaic spoken language of jesus developed as a liturgy language. Antioch who are Arabs have not inherited it. We have inherited Syriac language just like Arabs got it.
Please why we are bothered about this. Please dont think this matter. This is their internal problem. If we think our church and saba may be we also having this kind of achens or any characters.
As everybody knows the relation between Malankara church and the Antiochian syriac orthodox church came to effect only from the time of Marthoma I ie,from 1665 onwards.Before that the Malankara church was using the East syrian liturgy.Even though Mar Gregorios of Jerusalemcame to India and confirmed the episcopal right to Marthoma I,untill Marthoma V Malankara church followed almost entirely East syriac language,liturgy and practices.That means till 1765.During the time of Marthoma VI certain tradition of west syrian church along with prevelent East syrian traditions. Before that few facts about the so called antiochian tradition.Only in the first hals of the fifth century the antiochian church adopted the anophora of Jerusalem known under the name of St. James.In the 4th and 5th centuries the liturgical language of Jerusalem and Antioch was Greek.In the time of the Biyzentine Emperor Justin(AD 518-527),he expelled the non chalcadonians from Antioch and they took refuge in syriac speaking Mesopotomia on the Roman/Persian border (Modern East syria,Iraq and South east Turkey).Gradualy the antiochian liturgy rites were translated to syriac and new elements such as syriac hyms were introduced with it.Therefore one should kwnow that the Malankara church was using East Syrian Liturgy from the 3rd century onwards,whereas at that time the antiochine syriac liturgy was not even taken place. Therefore why should we adopt the antiochian liturgy to our Marthoma tradition. For the protocol we should not take any initiative ,since the fanatic leaders of the Jacobite church in Kerala will never accept any proposals.What they want is their own empire by the expense of poor laymen in the name of the poor Antiochine Patriarch as a rubber stamp.This is not my words,even the H.H. Patriarch Zakka I has written a letter to the jacobite synod stating that they were using him as person to put the sign and stamp.Certain circulars as it is from the Antiochian Patriarch the wordings are from the Puthencurz centre and the Patriarch simply signs it. How can we make a protocol between such a leadership. So let them go in their own way with the 30+ bishops (is there any need for such a no) it will only create trouble in their society in the future for power. for the above reasons the Malankara |Church should adopt the liturgy of Addai and Mari which was created under the tradition of Saint Thomas and was widely used in Malankara from the 3rd century till 1800 AD and should eliminate the Antiochian liturgy. Then only the true Marthoma throne can be achieved.
alpatthil viswasthan adhikatthilum viswasthan aakanamennilla, but alpatthil viswasthan aayavane dhaivam adhikatthil vichaarakannakkum........ only by GOD............
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C G Thirumeni, 4 Masam Okke Akathu kidannal Oru Ara (Half) Pradhaman Aakam.
Appol Delhiyil Vachu Vazhichathinte Guttance Pidi Kitty. Fr. C. G. yude Peril Case Ullathukondu Videsathu Pokan Pattathathu kondu Delhiyil Vachu Nadathiyathu Ayirikkum.
Methranayi Vannal Casil Ninnum Rakshappedamennu Karuthy Aayirikkum Achan Kodathiyil Ninnum Jamyameduthathu.
C G തിരുമേനിയുടെ ഒരു high resolution photo ഒന്ന് കിട്ടിയിരുന്നെങ്കില്‍. ആ കണ്ണും മുക്കും കണ്ടിട്ട് തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമന്റെ യൌവന കാലത്തെ പോലിരിക്കുന്നു.
C G തിരുമേനിയുടെ തുടക്കം കൊള്ളാം. ജയിലില്‍ നിന്നും തന്നെയാവട്ടെ മീന്‍ പിടുത്തം. ഇപ്പോഴും ജയിലില്‍ ഗോതമ്പ് ഉണ്ട തന്നെ ആണോ. ?
END RESULT OF A BLUNDER DONE BY GREAT PAULOSE MAR GREGORIOSE THIRUMENI IN MAKING THIS LUDHIANA CMC EMPLOYEE AS A PRIEST WHO THINKS HE IS BORN TO BECOME A METRAN BY HOOK OR CROOK.AS HE BETRAYED HIS OWN CHURCH HIS DAYARA'S NAME SHOULD BE " Iscoriot Jude's dayara.
H.E.Mor Moosa Goorgan Sevarios cannot manage the affairs of his own Church in Germany/Europe.How does he think these new Bishops of him can manage church affairs in Malankara? H.E Mor Sevarios cannot create a good image in his own country and he is expecting to create unity in Malankara by consecrating Unwanted/unnecessary bishops.New Bishops for what purpose? Why can't H.E Mor severios create diocesefor his church appoint bishops there and ordain priests for Europe,South america,North america and Africa?
Can This New Mathews Mar Gregorios go work in Africa as he was in Ethiopea? "Vinasekalae Vipareetha budhi"!
Why MTV blaming CG for cheque issue. In mostof the construction activites either house construction or any other constructions some times there must be disput with contractors so we can treat this case like one .More over Antoioc Orthodox Churchs moves are good and real threat for Puthenkurishu team and Orthodox church.
what is happening in our church.unfortunately we ordained moosa gurgan the priest came from no where.
A civil case has nothing to do with Spiritual Consecration of C.G. Mathews Prist into Bishop.Bishops consecrationsare done publically and not secretly as thsese consecrations are for thost who work under the darkness.As I told earlier Thsese are power hungry people and Foxes appearing like sheeps !
Fr. C. G. Verum Fraud Aanennu Court Order Vayichal Manasilakumallo. Oru Pavam contractare Patticha Achan Pavathan Gurgan Thirumeniyeyum Pattichu. Unofficial Wife Ullavareyum Thattippukareyumallathe Areyenkilum Gurgan Thirumenikku Kittumo?
Not C.G thirumeni " Iscoriot Juda Thirumeni "
Nammude Bishop Eric Muric Achayan (Eempile Kunju, Thazhathangady) Ithilumokke deecent Aayirunnu. Angerekkurichu Fr. Kuriakose OIC yude Yathra Vivaranathilum Manorama Weekly yil Thomasum (Associate Editor. Kadhakkoottu Enna Pamthy) ezhuthiyittullathu C G Bishop Okke Vayikkunnathu Arogyathinu Nallathanu.
Mathews Mar Gregoriosine Onnu vilichu wish Cheyyam Ennu Vicharichittu Angeru Phone Edukkunnilla.
Phone No. Kittan thadevoos.org Kanuka.
Appiyittavane Chumannal Chumannavanum Narum Enna pazhanchollu Germaniyil Illennu Thonnunnu. Athayirikkum Iscariotha Judha Thirumeniye Mar Gurgan Thirumeni Chumakkunnathu.
I know mr Babu(C G) when he was the typist at the delhi orthodox centre. For that matter he was efficient in typing replies to letters to gregorios thirumeni which nmber some time into hundreds when his grace comes back from foreign tours.I also remember his seeking blessings from thirumaeni at the road when thirumeni was to go abroad and he was to join seminary shortly. watching the scene from first floor the three semmassans' (now all are senior priests)comments have come true. He has dithched the church and have become 'para'to the entire church.I too had in my mind with such attitude, how he had been selected for seminary by thirumeni
Bishop Yudas Amayannoor Dayarayil Thanne Undennu. Delhiyil Ninnum Vilichappol Eduthu. Idukki Rambanu Visa Kittanjathinal Gurgan Thirumeni Ingottu Vannu Koduthathanennu. Gurgan Thirumeni Ethra Nalla Manushyan.
Nammude Niyuktha Bava Nammude ..... Achan Paranjathu Viswasichu Poyatha. Aa Achan Niyuktha Bavayude Sathru Aayittum Chinna bava Athu Viswasichu Irikkukayanu.
Iny Poya Buddhy Aana pidichal kittumo?
Ee c.g thirumeny ennu parayunna Aal Thenghum "tharayude" koode puthen cruzil chennittu Chuvanna kuppayam Kittiyilla. Avar Koode poya Seniorinu Koduthu. Check case veeranu Pinne kodukkam ennu paranju. Paskshe kaathirikkan Manasu varanju, "gurgaha"yude adukkal poyi Kaasu koduthu vanghichu. Iny kurachu kazhiyumpol ivane okke Aa Gunda Thalavanum Anuyayikalum koody Anghu Eattedukkum Ennathinu oru samsayavum venda. Malankara Orthodox Sabhayude Uppum Chorum Thinnu, thinnu Kozhuthirikkunn Ivante Okke Aasanathil Koody Aany Adichu Otta Minitinullil Vedy Theerkkukaya Vendathuuuu.......
Moosayude sabha Thomayude koode koodan sadyatha kooduthalannu. Aram+Aram = Kinnaram. Thoma Damascusil poyi konduvannu. Ippol ithu Mobile lokum. Mobile mortury, mobile library ennokke kettititlley. Athupolley Gurgan ippol Mobile pattam koduthu thudangi.
CG Andhrayile Alliyande Sabhayil petta Delhiyile Lutheran palliyil pooyi konduvannu. sundronisa nadathuvan, karutha kuppayamitta 4 perey vennum. AThukondu meesha kilirtha pillerey thappunundu, Chemman aakkan.
ഗുര്ഗന്‍ ഇന്ത്യയില്‍ തന്നെ ഉണ്ടോ? പോയെങ്കില്‍ ഒരു മെത്രാന്‍ പട്ടം പോസ്ടല്‍ ആയിട്ടു മേടിക്കാം. രാജകുമാരി മെത്രാന്‍ ഒരു പള്ളിയില്‍ കുര്‍ബാന അര്‍പ്പിച്ചു എന്ന് മംഗളം പത്രത്തില്‍ വായിച്ചു. ഏതു പള്ളിയിലാണ്?
ഉത്തരം മുട്ടുമ്പോള്‍ കൊഞ്ഞനം കാണിക്കുന്നതിന് പകരം തെറി എഴുതി വിടരുത്. സഭ്യമല്ലാതതവ പ്രസിദ്ധീകരിക്കുകയില്ല. - എഡിറ്റര്‍
ee photos kandittu SOCM nu onnum parayanillea.ethramathram tharam thana language upayogikkunna mahdyamamthinu
catholicamar thirichhariyan budhimuttayi.
oru karyam cheyyam. Videshikalkku aa peru nalkam.
1. Rome catholica
2. Arabi catholica
3. german catholica
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Ok, Confusion theernnu
Dear Philipose
It is not much damaging for the Orthodox Church as you perceived. It is good that criminals could find solace in something
The fact is that , it is severly damaging for the hope of Malankara (Romo) syrians. Thye had hoped that people who are fed up with the church quarrel will join their reeth.
Catholic Church is facing a sever threat from pentacostal who have become active in the dsitricts of Ernakulam and Thrissur. In fact the Catholic Church can only blame themslves for opening this floodgate. Their charismatic movement is leading a massive conversion to new generation chuches. second is the loss of morality among the priests...
Traditional forts of all churches are facing severe attacks.
In teh next decade, if you want to keep a memebr in your chruch, there shoul dbe some reason other then 'I was born into it'
I blieve Orthodox Church has btter chance to get more faithfuls
1. Strong theology
2. national root (Foreigners can go back)
3. Not change in faith according to situaiton
Alpatthil viswasthan adhikathilum viswasthan. Panatthil kallam kanikunnavan mattullathilum aviswasthatha kanikkum
Antioch anointed HB Thomas bava to trouble Catholicose of the east. Now (if) Gurgan becoming a patriarch is trouble for Antioch.
Also, jacobiet Catholicose also faces threat. Even his churches can break away from Puthenkurissu and join Gurgan's (society).
ഉറപ്പല്ലേ അച്ചായ, അടുത്ത പാതൃയര്‍കീസ് ഗുര്ഗന്‍ തന്നെ, അപ്പോള്‍ പുതെന്‍ കുരിശു കാര്‍ എന്ത് ചെയ്യും.
JOSHUACHAYO
appol kanjikuzhi catholica ya maranno ? atho athina oru catholica yayi ningal polum angekarichittilla?
pinne arabikalodu athraku virodhamanenkil ningaluda methran mar ittirikunna kuppayam uri vachu kavi vasthram dharichu ramayanem vayikan para
annittu para indian orthadox sabha anennu .appol alukal ningal parayunnathu kalkanenkilum kootakum
നാണമില്ലല്ലോ സുഹൃത്തേ. എന്തെങ്കിലും പറഞ്ഞാല്‍ അപ്പോള്‍ പറയും ഞങ്ങളുടെ ആരാധനയും, ഭാഷയും , വേഷ ഭൂഷാതികളും ശീമയില്‍ നിന്നും അല്ലെ എന്ന്. അത് കൊണ്ടാണ് പറയുന്നത് " വിവരമില്ലാത്തവര്‍ " ആണ് യാക്കോബായക്കാര്‍ എന്ന്. പാവങ്ങള്‍, അവരുടെ അച്ഛന്‍ മാരുടെ ഡ്രസ്സ്‌ സിരിയക്കാരുടെ എന്നാണ് ധരിച്ചു വച്ചിരിക്കുന്നത്.
What is called as Syrian traditon now is not exactly Sysrian. My dear friend should be better informed about that. For example: Liturgy it has coem from Greek. So you think you will be slave to Greeks? Antiochs are Arabs. They have learned Syriac just like we learn syriac here in kerala. Syriac a semetic language close to Aramaic spoken language of jesus developed as a liturgy language. Antioch who are Arabs have not inherited it. We have inherited Syriac language just like Arabs got it.
Avarachaya,
Pothinodu vedum odiyal alppum okkey ippol mansailakum. Ammaye marakkunna Jara sandhadhikalodu ithuvallathum paranjal mansailakumo. Aidsnu marunnuddu, ee jadiye nereyakkuvan odaya thamburan vicharichalum nadakilla. karanum Pulli Patrikizhinte keezhu sthaniyano
Please why we are bothered about this. Please dont think this matter. This is their internal problem. If we think our church and saba may be we also having this kind of achens or any characters.
REJI Thomas Kottarakara
United Kingdom
As everybody knows the relation between Malankara church and the Antiochian syriac orthodox church came to effect only from the time of Marthoma I ie,from 1665 onwards.Before that the Malankara church was using the East syrian liturgy.Even though Mar Gregorios of Jerusalemcame to India and confirmed
the episcopal right to Marthoma I,untill Marthoma V Malankara church followed almost entirely East syriac language,liturgy and practices.That means till 1765.During the time of Marthoma VI
certain tradition of west syrian church along with prevelent East syrian traditions.
Before that few facts about the so called antiochian tradition.Only in the first hals of the fifth century
the antiochian church adopted the anophora of Jerusalem known under the name of St. James.In the 4th and 5th centuries the liturgical language of Jerusalem and Antioch was Greek.In the time of the Biyzentine Emperor Justin(AD 518-527),he expelled the non chalcadonians from Antioch and they took refuge in syriac speaking Mesopotomia on the Roman/Persian border (Modern East syria,Iraq and South east Turkey).Gradualy the antiochian liturgy rites were translated to syriac and new elements such as syriac hyms were introduced with it.Therefore one should kwnow that the Malankara church was using East Syrian Liturgy from the 3rd century onwards,whereas at that time the antiochine syriac liturgy was not even taken place.
Therefore why should we adopt the antiochian liturgy to our Marthoma tradition.
For the protocol we should not take any initiative ,since the fanatic leaders of the Jacobite church in Kerala will never accept any proposals.What they want is their own empire by the expense of poor laymen in the name of the poor Antiochine Patriarch as a rubber stamp.This is not my words,even the
H.H. Patriarch Zakka I has written a letter to the jacobite synod stating that they were using him as person to put the sign and stamp.Certain circulars as it is from the Antiochian Patriarch the wordings are from the Puthencurz centre and the Patriarch simply signs it.
How can we make a protocol between such a leadership. So let them go in their own way with the 30+ bishops (is there any need for such a no) it will only create trouble in their society in the future for power. for the above reasons the Malankara |Church should adopt the liturgy of Addai and Mari which was created under the tradition of Saint Thomas and was widely used in Malankara from the 3rd century till 1800 AD and should eliminate the Antiochian liturgy. Then only the true Marthoma throne can be achieved.
God Bless Malankara Church
Abraham Mattackal John
alpatthil viswasthan adhikatthilum viswasthan aakanamennilla, but alpatthil viswasthan aayavane dhaivam adhikatthil vichaarakannakkum........ only by GOD............
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