Thursday, June 24, 2010

Holy Episcopal Synod approved all the decisions taken by H. H. The Catholicos about Mar Severios Moses Gurgan.

Consecration of Mar Severios Moses Gurgan: Real Facts by Shelley John. PDF File
Mar Severios Moses Gurgan by M TV Research Team. PDF File
Prasnam Puthenkurisu Vibhagathinu by Dr. M. Kurian Thomas. PDF File 

80 comments:

Avarachayan said...

ആകെ മൊത്തം total പ്രശ്നങ്ങള്‍ ആണല്ലോ. മുഴുവന്‍ വായിച്ചു കഴിഞ്ഞപ്പോള്‍ ആകെ ഒരു confusion. ഇപ്പോള്‍ ശരിക്കും മൂസ ഗുര്ഗന്‍ തിരുമേനിയുടെ സഭയില്‍ ചേര്‍ന്നാല്‍ കൊള്ളാമെന്നു തോന്നുന്നു.

Thomas said...

Shellyude vivarthanam vayichittu valare vishamom thonnunu.Orthodox metran severios niyukthnea catholicaye vazhithetikugannu.Severios metranum bavathirumeniyude secretary achenum chernnu palla vrithikedum kaanikhuga annu, aa pavom niyukhanea nashipikugannu.Eppol thonnunu ethupolethea vruthikedu karnathal annu abraham severios thiruchu poyadh.Enjanaullavare vechu vazhichal sabha thazhumaragum.ee vivarthindh adisthanil gurgente vazhuchakh kanadanad athanasiosum trisur milithiom chaidhadh sheri thanneannu.

Malankara Orthodox TV said...

Malankara Syriac Voice Report. Response from M TV

Mar Severios Moses Gurgan Delhiyil Vachu Methranmare Vazhicha Karyam Adyam Report Chaithathu M TV Alla. Malankara Syriac Voicum SOCM E Mail Foravum Aanu. Athinu Seshamanu M TV News Koduthathu. Keralathile News Paperukalkku Ayakkunna Koottathil M TV kkum Adheham Photoyum Newsum Ayakkarundu. Orthodox Sabhangangal Ariyenda Vartha Aayathukondu Njangal Athu Kodukkunnu Ennu Mathram.

Orthodox Church Synod Angeekarichathinu Sesham Keralathil Ethiya Mar Severiosine M TV Team Kanukayum Interview Nadathukayum Chaithirunnu. Aa Photokal Publish Cheyyan Sanmanasu Kanichathinu Syriac Voice Sitinu Nandy.

Utharam Muttumpol M TV teaminte Photo Publish Chaithittu Enthu Karyam!!!

Malankara Orthodox TV said...

gurgan , a bishop or a lay person?????

as per your headlines this is what you say \" A special Episcopal Synod will be at Catholicate Palace, Devalokam on june 25 friday to discuss the issues related to Mar Severios Mosus Gurgan Metropolitan\" You name Grugan as Mar XXXXXXX Metropolitan, c aaaling him a bishop But the kalpana from HH the catholicos terms Gurgan as a mere lay person ( i cannot copy the exact words to this e mail because of the script) Aren\'t you projecting Gurgan against HH kalpana ?????????

Mathew
Email: matsimon2001@yahoo.com

Malankara Orthodox TV said...

Mar Severiosine Nammude Sabha Mudakkiyittilla. Adhehathinu Kodutha Primate Sthanam Pinvalichu Ennu Mathram. Vivaramillatha Aaro Bavayude Peril Kalpana Ezhuthy Vittal Mar Severiosinte Methran Sthanam Pokumo?

Abdulla Patriarch Mudakkiyappol Vattasseril Thirumeniyude Methran Sthanam Poyathayi Orthodox Sabha Padippikkunnillallo.

Shelley John said...

Bavayude Perilulla Kalpanayil Gurgan Thirumeniye "enna Aal", "Ayal" Ennokkeyanu Vilichirikkunnathu. Niyuktha Bavayude kunnamkulam Bhashayano Aprem Thirumeniyude Samskritha bhashayano Ithennu Nischayamilla.

Aprem Thirumeny Koottukar Thanna "Sabdha Tharavaly" Randu Neram Vayichu Padikkunnathu Arogyathinu Nallathanu.

Ithilum Samskaram Puthenkurisukarude Viswasa Samrakshakanundu Ennu Choondikkanikkatte.

Sam Thomas aka Mumbai Samji said...

"Karthavay Ninte Parishudha Sabhayil Sathya Vachanathay Shariyayittu Vyakhana Cheyunna Idayanmaray Ezhunelpikanamay..Sathyavum, Neethiyum, Nyayavum Nadappilakunna Idayanmaray Shakthikarikanamay...Dushtanatay Kanikallil Ninnum..Dushkarmikaluday Goodalochanayil Ninnum Samrakshikanamay....."

Avarachayan said...

25 ആം തീയതി ഒന്ന് കഴിയട്ടെ. അപ്പോള്‍ തീരുമാനിക്കാം എന്താ വേണ്ടതെന്നു. ഗുര്ഗന്‍ തിരുമേനിയെയും പുള്ളിക്കാരന്റെ സഭയും വിട്ടു കളിക്കുന്നതാവും ബുദ്ധി. നമ്മുടെ ആളുകളുടെ ചോര്‍ച്ച എങ്ങിനെ തടയാമെന്ന് ചര്‍ച്ച ചെയ്യാതെ പാവം തൃശൂര്‍, കണ്ടനാട് മെത്രാന്മാരെ ക്രുശിക്കാന്‍ ആണ് സമയം കളയുന്നതെങ്കില്‍ -------------- ബാക്കി പിന്നീടു.
പിന്നെ അച്ചായന്‍ ഫ്രാന്‍സിലുള്ള bussiness എല്ലാം മക്കളെ ഏല്പിച്ചിട്ട് ഇപ്പോള്‍ പണിയൊന്നും ഇല്ലാതെ വീട്ടില്‍ ഇരിക്കുകയാണ്, ദേവലോകത്തേക്ക് ഞാനൊന്നു പോകും.

Thampy said...

Mr.Shelly John Ezhuthiyathu Sathiyam Aanenkil, Gurghante Ee Rengha Pravesam Prathikaara Bhudhiyodu Koody Thanne. Athinu Oru Samsayavum Venda. Malankara Orthodox Sabhayude Thalavanaaya Parisudha Catholica Bhavayude Kalppanakalkkum, Parisutha Sunnahadosinte Theerumaananghalkkum Oru Vilayum Illenkil Pinne Sabhayude Nila Nilppu Thanne Apakadathilaakum, Ennathinum Samsayam Vendaaaaaa.....? Thomachen, Cyril, Gurgaan......Naale Nammude Avarachayan....Ghaaa..."BhavaMaarude Ennam Anghane Naalkku Naal Vardhikkatte,Malankarayil...!!!!!!!!!!!

Shelley John said...

Nammude Yulios Thirumeny severios Thirumeniyumayi Ithravegham Koottayo? Paalam Kadakkuvolam...

rajanthomas said...

H.E MooSa Goorgan Sevarios was consecrated as Bishop and primate of Independant Syrian orthodox Church of Europe not for Malankara orthodox church.He cannot Consecrate Bishops for anywhere in the world for malankara othodox church only for his congregation in Europe. H E Moosa Goorgan is violating his power and authority.
The Consecration of Catholicose in Malankara1912 was done in proper/right way as Abded Masiha Partriarch was not Ex-communicated by his antiochean synod,only toppled by Turky Sultan and this has nothing to do with consecration ofH E Moosa Goorgan.

Chandichayan, Puthuppally said...

Pulikkottil Thirumeni Prathipakshathanennu Parumalayil Prasangichathayi Niranathe Oru Achen Parayunnathu Kettum. Diocese Division Samayamalle Bharana Pakshathu Cherathe Nivrithy Illallo!!!

Chandichayan, Puthuppally said...

Nale Adyamayi Synodil Chellunna ee Chinna Puli Methrachan Engeneya Synod Theerumanam Illa Ennum Mattum Orappichu parayunnathu.

Nammude Almayavedhi Philipochayan Okke Paraynnathu minitsinte Aa Page Severios Thirumeni Valichu Keery Kalanjenna.

Varghese said...

Now the situation seems like Gurgan and his recent plays are all because Niyuktha Bava...We cannot tolerate this attitude of MTV and Malankara Sabha...
Niyukta Bava is a real saint, Buut for some reasons MTV is always against HB.
Didimos Bavayude kaalm koodi kazhijal malankara Sabha Njangal Bharikkum..
Thekkanmarude keezhil ini njangalkku Kazhinyanda...
Ini kure kaalam Vadakkar bharikatee...
HB vadakkan mekalayil ninullathu kondayirikkum Bava apavaadamkal parayunnathu...
HB, Edayanal Achan angane ippol malankara sabhakku karuthu vadakku ninnulla chuna kuttikal maathram..
ningal thekkanmarkku chumma irunnu thinnane ariyuuuu...karyamkal nadakanamenkil vadakkaru veenam...
Ini chumma irunnu thinnanda.. Njangal theerumanikkum ini kaaryamkal..

Varghese said...

It seems that all the Gurgan plays are beacuse of H B niyuktha Bava..
I dont understand why MTV and malakara Sabha is always against Niyukta Bava. Thekkan Pramanimarkku.. vadakkan prathinityam athra sukhikunilla ennanu ethi kaanikunathu.. innu Malankara Sabhyil vivekathoode mindam ariyunathu njangal vadakkan chuna kuttikalkku maatramanu... Hb , Edayanal Achan etc...
Ningal thekkanmar Malankara sabha Bharichathu mathi.. ini kure kaalam Njangal bharikatte.. MTVyude oru abhyasavum nadakilla.. HByude keezhil njangal aninirakkum...

Stebin Sunny said...

njanum und Avarachayaa...vyakthikalodulla virodham adhikaaram upayogich alla theerkkendathu....chumma keri Militios Thirumeniyeyo Athanasios Thirumeniyeyo kroosikkan njangal sammathikkilla...athinum maathram enthu thettaanu he avar cheythath....bava thirumeni paranjthupole nakkendathu nadannu...thats all...

Malankara Orthodox TV said...

Niyuktha Bavaye Thiranjedutha 2006 Octoberil M TV Illa. Annu Kottayathe Randu Cheruppakkar Harichu Gunichu Nokky Vadakkanum Koody Aanallo Kollamennu Kandupidichathanu Milithios Thirumeniye. Almayavedhiyanu Athu Rangathu Kondu Vannathu. Annu Milithios Thirumeniye Kanan Chenna Njangale Vettichu Adheham Mungiya Kathayokke Thirumeniyodu Chodhichal Paranju Tharum. Oru Vadakkanum Adhehathinte Peru Uyarthikkondu Varan Undayirunnathayi Ente Ormayil Varunnilla. Oru Nomination Kunnamkulathu Ninnum Koduthathu Polum Thallippokunna tharathilullathayirunnu. Thale Divasam Almayavedhikkar Nadannu Oppideechu koduthathu Kondu Thallippokatha Oru Nomination Undayi. Ithrayumokke Chaitha Njangalodu Thanne Vadakkar Ithu Parayanam!!!

Thettu Bava Chaithalum Niyuktha Bava Chaithalum Thettanu. Thiruthavunnathu Thiruthanam. Vimarsanam Nannakanulla Oru Avasaram Kodukkalanu. Prayojanappeduthunnavar Midukkar.

- Joice Thottackad

Chandichayan, Puthuppally said...

Mone Vadakkan Varghese, Ivide Vadakkanum Thekkanum Onnumilla. Orthodoxukar Mathrame ulloo.

Nammude Thironthorathe Methrachanittu Bhayangara salyamallayirunno. M TV Ezhuthyallo. Chinna Bavakku Nalla Budhy Thonny Nirthukayum Chaithu.

Parumalayokke Ninnu Kandavarodokke Joyce ne Kurichu Parathy Paranjenkilum Karyathinu Neekkupokku Undayallo.

Avarachayan said...
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Avarachayan said...

Yuhanon Mar Milithos തിരുമേനിയുടെ മറുപടി വായിച്ചു. H.G is really great.

Varghese said...

Njangade Milithious Bava paranjathu keetirunenkil ithu vallathum undakumayirunoo... HB bavayakunathinu mumpu Milithious metrachan Gurgante bavayavathirunnal mathiyayirunnu..

Choraden said...

Yuhanon Mar Milithos washing his hands when he ordained Musa he said it is only for punish jacobite church. Any way now it seems like a “Boomerang “

eldo said...

avarachayo,milithose thirumeni educated anannu manasilayallo,puthenkurishilethupole nalam class allannu,cultured,educated,highly preisthood

Philip said...

Don't write nonsense with regard to North and South. The southerners strongly were behind HB Militios at the time he got elected as H.B. Do you know the votes HB Militios got in the Synod? So simply don't try to talk like C.M.Thomas who got red gown due to that talk. Those days are gone claiming Vadakkan and Thekken.
I do agree H.B is an innocent man. But some who feel that they are the future Catholiocse is playing the dirty game.
With regard to Shelly's remark on HG Yulios and HG Severios. After all they may have difference in their color, but when it comes to the height, they are the same. Remember that old say. Kulleney nambinal avan............

sam said...

The response of H.G. Yuhanon mar Milithios is somehow inconsistent and incerdible.He was the one who consecrated H.E Moosa goorgan and gave H.E. Moosa Goorgan the mandate(Styathikon).Now H.G.Milithios says he is cocentrating on his Family Affiars. which family affairs? If He is a current bishop of I.O.C and member of Synod he should work for I.O.C with sincerity and manage the church affairs as a shepherd of integrity!

Lastly a word to this forum commentors that there is no individual of southern or northern in I.O.C or MOSC. In the olden days present Jacobite faction used to discredit/discriminate our church fathers like that Southern and northern. We are here as one, members of the same family under the flag of I.O.C/MOSC!

Philip said...

I can go to any extend and defend the southerners never considered that they need to have an upper hand in what they say. But if there is justification in what a person says and if he comes from that side, don’t ignore it by stamping with a Thekken. They always appreciated the Northerners and acknowledged their work for the church. Ask HB Militios, Konatt Jons Achen (Lay Trustee), Edayanal achen, Polykarpose Thirumeni, Aprem Thirumeni, Yulios Thirumeni are a few who will acknowledge it. If the southerners where that selfish and had that division in their mind these mentioned people would have reached no were in church administration. So stand for what St.Gregorios of Parumala stood for. The Saint formed an antimemorial to fight those sectarian forces during his time. Remember he is considered to be a Vadakkan. The ancestors of St.Dionysius of Vattasseril come from the North of Kerala. Just because he didn’t accommodate the advances of the Patriarch he is stamped as a Thekkan by some. So let us not look at the people and judge them on the basis of where they come from. Judge them by what they say. “Is he not the son of that Carpenter” was the comment people said about Jesus when they didn’t want to appreciate His teachings. Can’t we learn a lesson from that?

Joshy said...

Ee Kurian Thomasinu oru vicharam undu, Orhtodox Sabhayilethupole anu ella sbhayilum ennu. Athayathu anmenikall(laymens) bishopumarku ehtiranu ennu. Athikondalle ingane oru lekhanam ezhuthiyathu, Jacobite churchil ulla pallykalil Athibhayankara prashnamayirikkum karanam avarude bharanakhdana anusarichu areyum palliyil kayattam ennu. Gurgante allukal inimuthal jacobitekarude pallykalil kidannurangum!!!! Thomachayoo...Pradhaman paranjal oru pallikkarum areyum kayatathilla. Athrakku ketturappan ee "puthankurishu soceity"yil.

Malankara Orthodox TV said...

With reference to the reports in the M TV website the believers are fully convinced of the facts of the consecration of Moses Gurgen.Today his church is an independent church and has the freedom to take any decisions and act accordingly,so the orthodox church synod cannot take any specific action against Moses Gurgen and his team and such actions won't be of any value, instead some of the synod members of the orthodox church are to be disciplined for their actions, deeds,and words.If let loose soon the orthodox church can witness the flow of believers, along with some priests in large numbers to the Antiochean Syriac Church,led by Moses Gurgen Severios.Trisoor Militos and Kandanad Athanasios did what they could to save the face of Didimos I. Kunnamkulam Militios is treated a puppet by a few synod members, also taking advantage of Didimos' disabilities.The dirty politics are being played by Chengannur Athanasios, Kandanad Severios,Mumbai Coorilos,Kochi Ireneaus and Aphrem, making Kunnamkulam Militos,Kandanad Athanasios and Trisoor Militos a scapegoat.As Makarios is no more, these synod members are taking greater advantage of the situations, but their performance in their respective bhadrasanams seems to be an utter failure, because of which the believers are fedup.Kandanad Severios is more interested in selling curry powders,Chengannur Athanasios interested in establishing educational institutions in Gujarat for the welfare of kizhakethalackal family,Mumbai Coorilos flying for unwanted and uninvited meetings and conferences,Kochi Irenaeus self styled scholar,Aphrem trying to get into Devalokam Secretariat for further destruction of the orthodox church.

Thomas P.
Ernakulam.

Malankara Orthodox TV said...

its unfair that u are still supporting "moosa gurgan" who is trying to make & of couse is su making problems in the holy church by giving undue importance to news relating him and his allies..thus creating confusions in minds of general faithfull.....
i think as an important church related new swebsite its your duty to defend the church and to protect our faith
hope that u will look into the above stated matter and make relevent decisions

yours sincerly

Abby Jacob
abbyjacob@yahoo.com>

Avarachayan said...

ഈ ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ കാരുടെ വീക്നെസ് ആണല്ലോ , വെറുതെ ഉള്ള വാചകം അടി. അതിനു അവസരം കിട്ടാന്‍ നോക്കിയിരിക്കുന്ന കുറെ ആളുകളും. അത് മുതലെടുക്കാന്‍ കുറെ വര്‍ഗീസ്‌ മാര്‍ വടക്കനും തെക്കനും പറഞ്ഞു ഇറങ്ങും, അതിന്റെ സത്യാവസ്ഥ എന്തെന്ന് നോക്കാതെ ഏറ്റു പിടിക്കാന്‍ കുറെ അന്വേഷികളും. വര്‍ഗീസ്‌ ഒരു ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ കാരനാണോ. ഒരു ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ സഭ വിശ്വാസിക്ക് ഇങ്ങനെ പറയുവാന്‍ കഴിയുമെന്ന് വിചാരിക്കുന്നുണ്ടോ ഷെല്ലി, ജോയ്സ് , ഫിലിപ്പ്. വേറെ എന്തെല്ലാം കാര്യങ്ങള്‍ കിടക്കുന്നു ഇവിടെ. അന്നേരം ആണ് ഇവന്മാരുടെ ഒരു തെക്കനും വടക്കനും, ഒന്ന് മനസിലാക്കുക, കേരളം എന്നത് കാസര്‍ഗോഡ്‌ മുതല്‍ കന്യാകുമാരി വരെ ഉണ്ട്, കോട്ടയവും പത്തനംതിട്ടയും മാത്രമല്ല. പല സംസ്കാരം കാണാം, മലയാളം തന്നെ പല രീതിയില്‍ പരുന്നവരും ഉണ്ട്.

Philip said...

Members of the Synod were too busy to convene a meeting after June 10, the day after the Managing Committee to allocate Diocese for the new Bishops. Do they need to complete their 3 months honey moon period to allocate them diocese.
what an enthusiasm to get a rope on hearing an OX has delivered a calf.
Like what Kurian Thomas wrote, let them take action first against the people responsbile for conceration of those who ditched us in the past like Reeth Ivanios & his accomplices and then we talk of Mar Militios and Mar Athanasios.
I join the prayers of Sam
"Karthavay Ninte Parishudha Sabhayil Sathya Vachanathay Shariyayittu Vyakhana Cheyunna Idayanmaray Ezhunelpikanamay..Sathyavum, Neethiyum, Nyayavum Nadappilakunna Idayanmaray Shakthikarikanamay...Dushtanatay Kanikallil Ninnum..Dushkarmikaluday Goodalochanayil Ninnum Samrakshikanamay....."

Philip said...

Thomas P.
Kaadu adachu vedivakkaruthe. Athil rakshapedunathu nammal arrey yadarthathil vedivakkuvan udeshicho avarayirikkum.
So be specific. In this episode of consecration there were 5 Bishops involved. One passed away. Two supported and two went against the decision of the Synod. They may have their personal justification. However, they couldn't convince the Synod. As a result the Synod gave approval to the consecration of Gurgon.
Now the LDF is ruling Kerala. Since they got only a certain percentage of votes from the electorate, does it mean that they are only ruling the state for that percent? Similary, it was the decision Synod took. So the blame or gain is on the Synod
Everybody have their own interest be it selling something or criticising others. What we don't realise is such things always happen in this world and we need to be wise about them and keep away from being part of any politics.
There is no point in throwing dirt at people. If somebody has already got dirt on them what we should be trying is to let them know of the dirt and help them get rid of the dirt, because this dirt can spread disease not only on others but also on you and me.
Hope you will take it in the right spirit.

Chandichayan, Puthuppally said...

Vayasu Kalathu Daivanamavum Japichirikkan Oru Methranakan Pattumo Ennu anweshichappol 50 Kudumbangalum Oru Palliyum (Swanthamayo Swadheenamullatho) Ullavare Mathrame Gurgan Thirumeny Vazhikkoo Ennu.

Chandichayan, Puthuppally said...

Nammude Pathanapuram Asramathil Ninnu Chadippoya Mamattikkuttiyamma Ennu Ariyappedunna Achan, Gurgan Thirumeni Methran Sthanam Kodukkunnillennu Paranju Karanjondu Nadakkunnathayi Thumpamonkaru Vilichu Parayunnu. Angere Eduthittu Gunamillennanu 3 Methrachanmarudeyum Theerumanam. Achante Samayadhosham Ennallathe Enthu Parayana!!!

Chandichayan, Puthuppally said...

Chandichayan: Oduvil Synod Gurganethireyulla Theerumanangal Ellam Angeekarichallo.

Tintu Mon: Pasuvum Chathu Morile Puliyum Poyi. Pinne Synod Koodiyittu enthu Karyam. Methrachanmarude Samayavum Vandykkooliyum Poyathu Micham.

Chandichayan, Puthuppally said...

Puli pole Vannathu Eli Pole Poyallo.

Avarachayan said...

അപ്പൊ ഇനി ഞാന്‍ ദേവലോകത്തേക്ക് പോകണ്ട. അല്ലെ. മുണ്ടും, ജുബ്ബയും ഒക്കെ ഇസ്തിരി ഇട്ടു വച്ച് ഇരിക്കുകയായിരുന്നു.

Thomas said...

The approval by synod of all decisions about Moses Gurgan Severios shows that facts mentioned by Shelly,Mtv,Trisoor Meletos are all taken into consideration and accepted but final kalpana of Didimos I stands absolute.

Thomas said...

Chadychaya Pathanapurthinnu Chadiya angerea metran aakiyal, ayal gurgenene aakhi vekhom.Ayalkh paatoom Uthoom ollu.Paadan kurayea Tholivellutha penpillarum koodea.

Shaji K said...

We tried to give punishment to Syrian orthodox churches, but God taught us.
Mr. Gorgan will make problem only to us, because we are like Pakistan,(All terrorist with us)
Those who banned from Syrian churches “Mudakapedunor” are all with Us
Our followers 80% are looking for Job, Admission .Fees reduction ,Etc .(like Kolancherry) But 80% of Syrian Church members are followers of spiritual Leader Ship of H.H. IGNATIUS ZAKKA-I
If our people want job ,No vacancies but some body come from Jacobites, immediately we will give all facilities then tried to convert like protestant ,

Varghese said...

Dear Avarachayan,
acahayante samsayan theerkatte aadyam. Njanagal kudumbapaeramayi orthodoxkar anu. achayane poole edakaalathu kaalu mariyathalla. poothanicadu palliyani ente idavaka.
As per the discussions there is no thekkan vadakkan and we are all orthodox people..
oru kaaryam orkuka.. ellavarudeyum messageyil ippozhum thekkan pramadakathvam nila nilkunnu...
avar erinju kodukunna appa kashamkal thinnu kazhiyunnu vadakkulla suriyani christianikal..

Avarachayan thanne samathichapole ivare pattikan elupamanaloo... karanam avar ippozhum kappyum mullan chuttathum thinnunuu...

engane nadakkum...

niyuktha bavakethire enthu aropanamkal undayalum adehamthe marikadanoru catholica vazcha nadakkilla.. nadannal iniyum malankara sabha pilarum.. appo pinne puthencrizu society ennu parayunnapole ningalkku thekkarkku kunnakulam society enno matoo vilikendivarum..

Philip said...

As I understand as per the constitution/bye-laws in our Church, the Catholicos in Synod takes the decision. There is no so called Veto power vested with the Catholicos. This doesn’t mean the Catholicos has no power. Infact, members of the Synod adhere to what the Catholicos says who is the head of the Synod. This can happen both ways. First the Synod arrives at a decision and the Catholicos approves it. Second, the Catholicos takes a decision and the Synod approves it later.
Recently the Association elected 7 Bishop Candidates and they were submitted to the Holy Synod for approval. The Catholicos approved the same in consultation with the Holy Synod. This is the routine procedure.
However in case of emergencies, as in the case of the recent consecration His Holiness had to take an immediate decision as one of the Priest belonged to our Church and was under suspension. There were rumors a few more are on their way. As people are notorious for pretending innocence, the Kalpana was to prevent their advances if any amongst our faithful.
The Holy Synod couldn’t be convened at such short notice to take a decision. As such members of the Holy Synod were informed about it and the Holy Synod was convened with a week’s notice which was held on 25 June 2010. A few members couldn’t attend but as they were aware of the agenda had communicated their approval to the decision of His Holiness with regard to consecration.
I would sincerely advise and request our faithful members to refrain from making any further comments on this issue.

Binoj said...

We should not have interfered in internal affairs of Syriac Orthodox Church. There were other primates in the Oriental Orthodox Communion like Coptic Orthodox Pope, Armenian Catholicose etc. who did not interfere in this affairs. Atleast we should have sought their opinion before deciding on the ordination.

4 said...

severios moses gurgante issue malankara sabhayude issue aayi mattunnathu enthinanu, angeru angerkkishtamullavare vazhichu athinu namuk enthanu, Didimos bavayude kalpanakal evaronnum vayikkarille, ee thirumeniyumayi sabhaikku yathoru bandhavumilla, pinne aarkku vendiyanu Chila Themmadikal rosham kollunnathu. Sabhaye snehikkunnavanmaralla evar ee problemsiloode njan valiya aalanu ennu kanikkan vendiyanu, Ellam Mindathirunnonam Ammayude nenjathu chavutti kalikkan enthoru rasamanu, Sbahayil enthellam problems und athonnum nokkan vayya Evidenkilum aarenkilum onnu thummiyal athinu Objection kondu kure sabha snehikal ennu parayunnavanmar erangikkolum

vendum njangal parayunnu Severios Moses Gurgante problem Malankara sabhayude problem alla avarude karyam avar nokkikolum, nammude karyam namukum nokkam
BY. 4the People

4 said...

jai jai catholicos

4 said...

malankara sabhayude problem ithalla, avishyamillatha karyathinu vendi time waste chaiyukayanu chila achayanmar, aarkkuvendiyanu, e problems undakkunnathu aare krooshikkan vendiyanu aaru thirumenimare vazhichalum, vazhichillenkilum Malankara sabhaikku onnum sambavikkilla

reji_pune said...

Please forget about the past. just think about today. Whatever happen there will be a strong reason. When we think about that we cannot think about our both the thirumanis or Synod. Let anyone come and go and let him do whatever. why we want to worry. We all are having strong belive in our Saba and thirumanis. People who want to go there and here let them go. These people are very very dangerious we dont want them please.

REJI Thomas Kottarakara
United Kingdom

Stebin Sunny said...

Milithios thirumeniyude kalppana ethaayaalum avasarochithamaayi...palarhum pratheekshichpole onnum nadannilla....ellaarum vaalum churuttippoyi maalathil olichu....pinne Thirumeni family affairs ennu paranjathu IOC enna familiyepati aanu ennu manassilaakkaan onnaam claasukaarante Budhi polum vendaaa Mr Sammmm.....

Avarachayan said...

വര്‍ഗീസേ പിണങ്ങല്ലേ, ഞാനൊരു വടക്കനായത് കൊണ്ടും, ഇതെല്ലം ഇപ്പോഴും കേടു സഹിക്കുന്നത് കൊണ്ടും, എഴുതിയതാണ്. എനിക്ക് തോന്നുന്നത്, ഇനി ആരും തെക്കന്‍, വടക്കന്‍ - പ്രയോഗിക്കില്ല.
പിന്നെ വര്‍ഗീസ്‌ , ഞാന്‍ എന്നെക്കുറിച്ച് എഴുതുന്നത്‌ മയിന്റ്റ് ചെയ്യണ്ട. അതൊക്കെ ഈ അവരാച്ചന്റെ ഒരു തമാശയല്ലേ. കുറെ പള്ളികളുടെ പേര് അറിയാമെന്നല്ലാതെ ഹ ഹ ഹ --------------

sampariyarathu said...

Onnamclassukarante budhyiyalla thirumeniyudethehennu Goorgan Mor.severiosene rehasyamayittu Vazhichittu 'njan onnumarinjilla enna mattil olla perumattom'kondu thanne manassilayi. Athibudhi eppozhum vijayikkum ennu karuthenda, Stebin Sunny!Oru website-um Chuvannakuppayavum undenkil pinne aare Bhayappedanam.Eethu Sabhayum Enthuvenamkilum parasyam cheyyamallo!swanthamaittu Germanyil oru Edavakayo/methran polumillatha Goorgan thirumeniAntiochen Orthodox sabhauyde Partriarchese anennupolum athinu keralathil ulla randu moonnu perku Chuvannakuppayam koduthal oru synod/sunnahodose undakkamallo. GoorganThirumeniyude apaara Budhi!!Njan Milthiose Thirumeniye Krushikkukayanannu Stebin karuthumayirikkum.Yatharthiyam eppozhum yatharthiyam thanne!!
Sabhaa raashtreeyam Stebinum nalla vashamanallo!!

Jacobite said...

http://malankaraorthodox.tv/Mar%20Severios%20Moses%20Gurgan/Mar%20Milithos‘%20letter%20about%20Gurgan.pdf
“അരിയും തിന്നു അശാരിയെയും കടിച്ചു പിന്നെയും പട്ടിക്കാ മുറു മുറുപ്പ്‌… ” നിങ്ങള്ക്ക് ഇത് തന്നെ വരണം … അനുഭവിച്ചു കൊള്‍ക… പാല് കൊടുത്ത് വളര്‍ത്തിയ കൈക്ക് തന്നെ തിരിച്ചു കൊത്തിയതു നിങ്ങള്‍ അന്ന് ഓര്‍ത്തില്ല.. മാര്‍ മിലിത്തിയോസിനെ ഇനിയും നിങ്ങള് മനസിലാക്കിയിട്ടില്ല … കാല ക്രമത്തില്‍ പുതിയ സഭകളും മതങ്ങളും ഒക്കെ ഉണ്ടാകുംപോലും …. നിങ്ങളുടെ സുന്നഹദോസലെ ഒരു അംഗത്തിന് ഇങ്ങനെ പരസ്യമായി ഒരു കല്പന ഇറക്കാന്‍ ധയിര്യം ഉണ്ടായിട്ടും നിങ്ങള് അത് തിരിച്ചറിയുന്നില്ല എന്ന് ഓര്‍ത്തു ദുക്കിക്കുന്നു ,,,, ഇതിലൂടെ മിലിത്തിയോസ് തന്ടെ ആശയം പ്രക്യപിചിരിക്കുന്നു.. ഞങ്ങള്‍ പുതിയ സഭ ഉണ്ടാക്കിയാലും നിങ്ങള്ക്ക് ഞങ്ങളെ ഒന്നും ചെയ്യാനില്ല … എത്ര ദിക്കാരം നിറഞ്ഞ പ്രസ്താവന .. ഞങ്ങളുടെ അപ്പ കഷണം പോകാതെ നോക്കിയാല്‍ മതി പോലും … ശരിയാ .. ഇയാളെ ചുമക്കുന്നതിനെ ഒരു വര്ഷം നിങ്ങള് എത്ര ലക്ഷം രൂപ ചെലവാക്കുന്നു … പിന്നെ പള്ളികളില്‍ നിന്ന് പിരിക്കുന്നതും … നിങ്ങളുടെ ചെലവില്‍ പുതിയ സഭക്ക് നേത്രുതം നല്‍കുന്നു……വളരെ നല്ല കാര്യം!!!

Philip said...

Binoj,
I felt it so. May be the reason why they approached us could be we have more similarities. Anyway let this be a lesson

Stebin Sunny said...

Mone Jacobite koottukaara....Militios Thirumeni Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabayile oru Bishop aanu...sathyathinu vendi nilakondu...95le vidhi kandu yojikkaam ennum nigalum paranjathalle...34le baranagadana angeekarikkaam ennu ezhuthi koduthathum alle...ennitt enthu pati...Thirumeni idhi angeekarichu mathru sabayodu yojichu...oru Gurgan thirumeniye vazhichu ennu karuthi Thirumeni adhehathodoppam pokum ennulla palarudeyum swapnam malarppodikkaarante swapnam maathramaanu ennu maathrame enikku parayaan ullooooo....angine swapnam kandirikkunnavarkkulla oru marupadiyaanu aa kalppana,,,,

Mathayichan said...

തെക്കന്‍/വടക്കന്‍
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കേരളത്തിലെ പള്ളികളില്‍ തെക്കന്‍/വടക്കന്‍ വിഭാഗങ്ങളില്ലെഗിലും കേരളത്തിന്‌ പുറത്തുള്ള ഒട്ടുമിക്ക എല്ലാ പള്ളികളിലും തെക്കന്‍/വടക്കന്‍ ഗ്രൂപിസം ഉണ്ട്(Jacobite & Orthodox)... ചില പള്ളികളില്‍ അത് അനാരോഗ്യകരമായ മത്സരമായും മാറാറുണ്ട്...

പ്രശ്നം പുത്തെന്‍ കുരിശു വിഭാഗത്തിന്
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മൂസ ഗുര്‍ഗാന്‍ പ്രശ്നം ഉണ്ടാക്കുന്നത് പുത്തെന്‍ കുരിശു വിഭാഗത്തിന് മാത്രമാണെന്ന് ഒരു വാര്‍ത്ത ഇതില്‍ വായിക്കുവാന്‍ ഇടയായി. പ്രശ്നം ഇവിടെ രണ്ടു കൂട്ടര്‍ക്കും ആണ്. അല്ലാതെ പുത്തെന്‍ കുരിശു കാര്‍ക്ക് മാത്രം അല്ല. ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ ഇല്‍ ഉള്ള ആരെങ്കിലും ഗുര്‍ഗാന്റെ കൂടെ ചേര്‍ന്നാല്‍, അവര്‍ കുറച്ചു നാളായി മറ്റവരുടെ കൂടെ ആയിരുന്നു; എന്നൊക്കെ പ്രചരിപ്പിക്കാന്‍ ശ്രമിക്കുന്നത് യാഥാര്‍ത്ഥ്യത്തിനു നേരെ കണ്ണടക്കുന്നത് പോലെയാണ്. സത്യത്തെ അംഗീകരിക്കുവാന്‍ പഠിക്കുക. നാളെ ഇനി ജോണച്ചന്‍ ഗുര്‍ഗാന്റെ കൂടെ പോയാലും നിങ്ങള്‍ പറയും അങ്ങേരു കുറച്ചു നാളായി മറ്റവരുടെ കൂടെ ആയിരുന്നു എന്ന്....

Avarachayan said...

കുട്ടാ, jacobte , മോന്റെ സഭയുടെ പേരെന്താണ് എന്ന് മോന് അറിയാമോ ? അത് ആര്‍ക്കും പിടി കിട്ടാത്ത ഒരു മഹാ സംഭവം ആണ് കുട്ടാ, അച്ചായന് മോന്റെ എഴുത്ത് വായിച്ചപ്പോള്‍ സാഹിത്യം വരുന്നുണ്ട്.

"പുതുമഴയില്‍ പൊട്ടി മുളച്ച കൂണ്കള്‍ക്ക് ഇടയില്‍ നിന്നും മാക്രികള്‍ കൂട്ടത്തോടെ കരയുന്നുണ്ടായിരുന്നു. "

2002 ഇല് പൊട്ടി മുളച്ച യാക്കോബായ സഭ. -തിരുമേനി മാരുടെ അംശവസ്ത്രം ധരിച്ചു ടാറിട്ട റോഡില്‍ കിടന്നു ഉരുളുന്ന ഒരു തലവന്‍. കൊള്ളാം.

മാര്‍ മിലിത്തിയോസ് പറഞ്ഞത് എത്ര ശരി … കാല ക്രമത്തില്‍ പുതിയ സഭകളും മതങ്ങളും ഒക്കെ ഉണ്ടാകും.

എടൊ ഗുര്‍ഗനും, തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമനും തമ്മില്‍ താന്‍ കണ്ട വ്യതാസം എന്ത് ? സി.എം.തോമസ് (തോമസ് മാര്‍ ദീവന്നാസിയോസ് / തോമസ് പ്രഥമന്‍)കത്തനാര്‍ അന്തോക്യയില്‍ പോയി മെത്രാനായി എന്നു പറഞ്ഞു വന്നു മലങ്കര സഭയെ കീറി മുറിച്ചു ഒരു കഷണം തന്നാല്‍ മതിയെന്നു പറഞ്ഞു നടന്നു ശലോമോന്‍ രാജാവിന്റെ അടുത്ത് കുഞ്ഞിനെ മുറിച്ച് ഭാഗം വയ്ക്കാം എന്നു പറഞ്ഞ വ്യാജ അമ്മയെ പോലെ. പിന്നീട് ഇദ്ദേഹം കതോലിക്കയായി ഇപ്പോഴും പാത്രിയര്ക്കീസ് വിഭാഗത്തില്‍ ശ്രേഷ്ഠനായി നടക്കുന്നു.
ഒരു വിധത്തില്‍ മലങ്കര സഭക്ക് ഇവരെല്ലാം ഒരുപോലെ. നേരെ ചൊവ്വേ മെത്രാന്‍ ആകാന്‍ കഴിയാത്തത് കൊണ്ട് പാത്തു പതുങ്ങി പോയി കുപ്പായം മേടിച്ചു.

Thomas said...

Jacobite Syrian Church (Syrian Orthodox Church) of India, Iraq, and Syria, recognizing the Syrian Orthodox patriarch of Antioch as its spiritual head. The foundation of the Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch goes back to early Apostolic days. This event in the history of Christianity is recorded in the Book of Acts 11:26 . Apostle Peter Himself established his See 37 AD. He is, therefore, rightly considered the founder and first Patriarch of the Syrian Orthodox Church.


On Friday the 26th July 2002, His Holiness Moran Mor Ignatius Zakka I Iwas the Patriarch of Antioch & all the East, consecrated the 73-year old Mor Dionysius Thomas as the CATHOLICOS with the title 'BASELIOS THOMAS I' at a solemn function held at the St. Peter & St. Paul Cathedral in Mor Ephrem Monastery, Ma`arat Sayyidnaya, near Damascus. In the Syrian Orthodox Church hierarchy, the Catholicos is second in rank to the supreme spiritual head, the Patriarch of Antioch

If u have more doubt check your SSLC Book,

MR.Avaracha at least respect age of Mor 'BASELIOS THOMAS I.

varghese said...

Preeya orthodox kara.Gurgan kali thudangi kazhinju.Ini pidichal kittukela.Nammal bhasmasurananu varam koduthathu.Ellam kai vittu poyi.UK yil Gurgan supporters 90% nammude orthodox karanu ennanu ariyunnathu.Patrirachese kar viralil ennavunnavar mathram.UK Porsmouthil Gurgante congrigation nadathippukar orthodox chettanmaranu.Avaranu congrigation baaravahikal.Nammude orthodox achenmar polum gurganu support aanu ennu parayunnu.Gurgante kurbana kku theerchayayum pokanam ennu porsmouth IOC kurbanakkidayil achan aavasyapettu ennu kelkunnu.ithellam sariyanenkil kashtam.Nattile kalpanakal onnum UK yil kitunnille.Eee kalpanakal UK Europe,USA onnum badakamalle.Atho enthengilum rahasya agenda undo.Aarkariyam.Namu de thirumenimar ariyathe ithonnum nadakkukayilla.Gurgane avar rahsyamayi support cheyyunnundakum.pakshe ithu kondu UK yil IOC kanu nashtam.Gurgan orthodox kare ellam avarude sabhayil cherkkum.Ini gurganethire nadapadi onnum venda veruthe support cheythere.Gurgan kurbana ullidathu ninnum orthodox kurbana pinvalikkuka.Appol nammude aalkarku avide pokamello.Ithonnum aarum arinjillenkil nammude thirumenimar anweshikanam.Klapanakal ellyidathum ayachu vayikkanam.UK yile Gurgan-IOC secret bandathekurichu aarkengilum kooduthal ariyamengil prathikarukkuka.

Philip said...

Mr.Avarachan,
U no comments. U no read what Thomas & Varghese wrote. U no understand English I understand U small small English. U know outline story. I make it for U. Now U understand OK.
First read Thomas
Jacobite Church India, Iraq, and Syria, recognizing - patriarch Antioch - foundation - Jacobite -Apostolic days. Acts 11:26 . Apostle Peter Himself established his See 37 AD. He is, therefore, rightly - founder - Patriarch - Syrian Orthodox Church.
NOW DON’T LAUGH BE SERIOUS. MORE MATTER FOLLOWS
On Friday the 26th July 2002, His Holiness Patriarch - consecrated the 73-year old Mor Dionysius Thomas - CATHOLICOS - 'BASELIOS THOMAS I' - Cathedral -, near Damascus. Catholicos - second rank - supreme - Patriarch of Antioch - u doubt - check your SSLC Book,
TODAY THOMAS PRADHAM 29561 DAYS OLD. Which means 80.9890411 years old.
MR.Avaracha - respect age – NO THARIKIDA
Now read Varghese
Gurgan supporters 90% nammude orthodox karanu -.Patrirachese kar viralil - nadathippukar orthodox chettanmaranu - orthodox achenmar - gurganu support - Gurgante kurbana -pokanam UK Europe,USA onnum badakamalle - rahasya agenda yile Gurgan-IOC secret bandathekurichu aarkengilum kooduthal ariyamengil prathikarukkuka.
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Avarachayan said...

അടി പൊളി !!!!!!!! ഇപ്പോം എനിക്ക് ഒരു കുപ്പി പനം കള്ള് കുടിച്ച അനുഭവം !!!! നാലാം ക്ലാസ്സില്‍ ഇംഗ്ലീഷ് പഠിപ്പിക്കില്ലെന്ന് ആരാണ് പറഞ്ഞത്. ?

എനിക്ക് തോന്നുന്നത് ഈ തോമസ്‌ എന്നയാള്‍ ഇനി തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമന്‍ ആണോ എന്നാണ്. ഓക്കേ, തോമസേ - തോമസ്‌ പ്രഥമനെ കാതോലിക്ക ആയിട്ട് പ്രഖ്യാപിച്ചു എന്നും എഴുപത്തി മൂന്നാം വയസ്സായിരുന്നു എന്നും ഒക്കെ എല്ലാവര്ക്കും അറിയാം. പക്ഷെ അങ്ങേര് മെത്രാന്‍ പട്ടം എവിടുന്നു സംഘടിപ്പിച്ചു?

Thomas said...

I hope this both are converted Christians ( Avarachayan & Philip)

Avarachayan said...

yes, we are St.Thomas Christians. അല്ലാതെ ശീമയില്‍ നിന്നാണെന്നും പറഞ്ഞു വല്ല തൊലി വെളുത്ത ആളുകള്‍ വന്നാല്‍ എന്നെ അങ്ങ് എടുത്തോ എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞു ഞങ്ങളുടെ കാര്ന്നോന്മാര് ആരുടേയും പിറകെ പോയിട്ടില്ല. ഞങ്ങള്‍ക്ക് ഉറപ്പുണ്ട് ഞങ്ങള്‍ ഇന്ത്യക്കാരാണെന്ന് .

varghese said...

Porsmouthil ninnum kooduthal news kitty.sariyano ennu parisodikkanam.Porsmouth Gurgan church nte trusti & secrtery IOC membrs aanu.Avide Gurgan church ne suport cheyyunnathu ellavarum orthodox karanu ennu parayunnu.IOC kurabana kazhinju nere Gurgan te churchil pokum.Enthoru sneham.Chila IOC kar ku swantham sabayekal Gurgan sabayanu ishtam ennu kelkunnu.Nammude UK thirumeni kku ithonnum ariyille.Aviduthe achan karyankal thirumeniye ariyikkunnillayirikkum.Nammude kalpanakal onnum avide vayikkunnille.Vicari Achenodu chodikkanam.Atho ithellam oru adjustment aano.Allengil Gurgan churchil pokanam ennu kurbanakidayil parasyamayi parayumo.UK yile orthodox kare ellavarum chernnu pattikkukayano.Ini nale IOC church nirthy ellavarum Gurgan churchil pokan parayumo.Oru patriarchese um avide Gurgane support illa ennu kettu.London ilum karyangal inganeyokke thanneyanu ennum kettu.Gurgane kooduthal kuttam onnum parayathe namukkum koode koodam.IOC UK yil illengillentha namukku Gurgan mathiyello.Ini patriarckese ne kuttam parayenda.UK yil orthodox kare mathram kuttam paranjal mathy.Gurgan keeee jay..Ellam sariyano ennu aviduthe achandu chodickanam.Kettu kelvi mathramanu.Allengil Porsmouthile IOC church trusti & secrtary yodu chodikanam.Sariyano.aarakriyam.
Enthayalum nammalku tholvi sammathikkam.

Avarachayan enthingilum parayanam.Aarum mindunnillello.Nanakedu kondayirikkum.

Philip said...

Varghesekutty,
Ninte vishumum maranamengil Gundapradhaman saranam. Avide ee paruppu vevikkamo ennu nokkuka.

Philip said...

Dear Avarachan,
You C what Thomas wrote. I & U converted Christians. He not. I really want to C him. He first man in Universe not converted. Ya Ya Ya. No respect for mother. So say so. No understanding. All overstanding.......
whatever happen we should not say ....... Koola

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Avarachayan said...

മിസ്റ്റര്‍ വര്‍ഗീസ്‌ എഴുതിയതിന്റെ സത്യാവസ്ഥ അറിഞ്ഞാല്‍ കൊള്ളാം. ജോയ്സ്, വിപിന്‍. യു. കെ യില്‍ ഗുര്‍ഗന്റെ സഭയെ സഹായിക്കുന്നത് മലങ്കര ഓര്‍ത്തഡോക്‍സ്‌ കാരാണോ ?

varghese said...

philip sahodara-njan paraynunnathu sariyano ennu aadyam anweshikkuka.ennittu abhiprayam parayuka.Avarachayane kandu padikku.UK yil aarum nammude orthodox kar ille ithinte sathyavastha parisodikkan.nattil oru niyamam.marunattil mattoru niyamam.nammal IOC karku enthu patti.panthu kai vittu poyi mone dinesa.ini gurgan nammude post il gol adikkate.nammalku kayyadikkam.nokki nilkam.allathenthu parayan.nanakedanello.sathyam parayumbol vishamichittu karyamilla.athu sariyano ennu anweshikkanam.UK yil ethengilum orthodox karundengil prathikarikuka.karyangal sariyano ennariyamallo.

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Thomas said...

Sorry Dear I Will explain,

I hope this both are NEWLY converted Christians ( Avarachayan & Philip) from SC OR ST
Because
1, they don’t know history of Indian Christianity
2, Culture.

Thomas said...

Philip If U respect your father, How can U forget the past.

Philip said...

My Dear Avarachayan,
I am half your age. U are innocent old man. Re-read the manglish of Varghese and U will realise "ithu Puthkurishintte Vishwasthann" ennu.
You think our people going to UK, US have no business other than going to Gurgon. 75% don't go to church and the remaining 25% after Gurgon. Comeon Varghese try to sell this Malarpodi somewhere

Philip said...

Dear Thomas,
Thanks for you visulaising me and Avarachayan as new born Christians. You put it as SCT. Why to hurt either.
Have you heard of a person by your name who was supposedly the disciple of Jesus Christ who came to India? First you go and learn about him and then we will talk of my Father and your Mother.

Avarachayan said...

ഹ ഹ ഹ , തോമാച്ചോ , പണ്ട് ഞങ്ങടെ പള്ളിയില്‍ ഒരച്ചന്‍ സുവിശേഷ പ്രസംഗം നടത്തുകയായിരുന്നു. വിശ്വാസം - എന്നതിനെ എങ്ങിനെയാണ് വിശദീകരിച്ചത് എന്ന് അറിയണോ.

അച്ഛന്‍ ഒരു പൌലോസിനെ മുന്നോട്ടു വിളിപ്പിച്ചു. എന്നിട്ട് അവന്റെ അപ്പനെയും അമ്മയെയും വിളിപ്പിച്ചു. എന്നിട്ട് അച്ഛന്‍ അപ്പനോട് ചോദിച്ചു- പൗലോസ്‌ , താങ്കളുടെ മകനല്ലേ. എന്താണ് ഉറപ്പു ?
ചേടത്തി പറഞ്ഞതുകൊണ്ട് അദ്ദേഹത്തിന് അങ്ങനെ പറയാം ഞാനാണ് പൌലോസിന്റെ അപ്പനെന്നു. അതായത് ഒരു വിശ്വാസം.

അത് പോലെ ഞാന്‍ തോമസിന് എല്ലാവിധ ആശംസകളും നേരുന്നു. തോമസ്സിന്റെ അപ്പന്‍ ഒരു SC/ST ക്കാരനോ, അതോ പേരറിയാത്ത വല്ലവരും ആകരുതെന്നും പിന്നീടു അറിയാന്‍ ഇട വരുത്തരുതേ എന്ന് പ്രാര്‍ത്ഥിക്കുകയും ചെയ്യുന്നു .
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തോമസ്സിന്റെ വിശ്വാസം തോമസ്സിനെ രക്ഷിക്കട്ടെ
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Avarachayan said...
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Varghese said...

What is this talk Avarachen. First North - South, then Old man respect. No paruppu got boiled - Now SC/ST. What is the matter?

Avarachayan said...

matter is this :-

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(Blogger Thomas said...I hope this both are NEWLY converted Christians ( Avarachayan & Philip) from SC OR ST
Because
1, they don’t know history of Indian Christianity
2, Culture.)
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Anyway , Avarachan leaving few days for visiting my children. Come back soon.

Bye everybody !!!!!

Thomas said...

Sorry for ur feelings ,
http://www.nadamelchurch.org/catholicate-maphryonite-syriac-church/aboon-mor-baselios-thomas-i
http://www.saintgregorios.org/PARUMALA/Catholicos_ThomasI.htm.

Varghese said...

Thomas,
Today any idiot can write anything about everything and assume things the way they want. That is necessary not true.
Do you still believe the so called christians including me and you will inherit the so called Heaven with such nonsense marketing like pimps of political leaders.
Do some good work my son. I am the old class mate of your beloved Bishop.Now aged 84. 4 years more than him.

Shaji K said...

Dear All
Think something before criticize.
Who is our enemy ?
In india AD 52 to 16 Century, here only one’’ saba’’ Indian and Syrian cultures was there.(That is why Protestant people also use syriac language) Antiochian priests had constructed many churches here and taught us how to pray. I don’t think they took anything from here. They sacrificed much for Christianity .
( still we have lots of churches, constructed by Syrian Bishops , and in Holy Mass we remember them )
15 and 16th century Portugal came with power and money, forced our Christians to convert under the Rome,
( History Of “ Kunan Kurishu Satyam” )Example : Life style of Knanaya Catholics (they are rich and Knanaya Jacobites are Medium class )
Then
British (DIVIDE AND RULE )
This they had used in our churches with Money and power , because we were against them
( Marthoma/Malankara catholic /Jacobite /and us )
1They divided Marthoma SABA as same culture of CSI ( including style of Songs) and given schools etc…etc
Again we were strong,
2 They divided Malankara catholic (under the rome ) and
3 They divided Malankara Orthodox and Syrian orthodox (VATTI PANUM) still I don’t know where is this huge amount.
Before criticize think .
1 From where did we get HOLY MURON ?
2,From where did we get Holy Kurbana ? etc…
From 1912 we have been trying to make some changes in our Holy Kurbana, but what we did ? Only we could change Red “Kuppayam” to Rose for our Bishops.
Who gave us power to criticize H.H. Zakka and other Bishops ,
In My Opinion we are Brothers Like Middleast churches ( Universal orthodox ,Coptic Orthodox ,Armenian Orthodox etc..)
We have to respect Throne of Antioch, same time have to keep our identity.

rajanthomas said...

dear Shaji K,Could you please Give an account of church/churches constructed by syrian Bishops In Malankara
Could you please tell us How did H.qurbana was instituited and how it was received in Various churches
Who Gave Priest Hood in Church and how it spread in Church.
What is the Identity Of Christians in Malankara?who gave identity?
How did Throne in Antioch Came for St. Peter?When with biblical references
How did The Name/Title, Partriarch derive in church? when ad where?
after giving a response to this we can answer to your comments